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K-Drama: 가시나무새 (The Thorn Birds)


KBS2 2011 Melodrama/Romance. The Thorn Birds will begin on Thursday, March 31, 2011. Station KXLA 44.1, Wed-Thurs from 9:35p-10:30p. Eng Subs

(Replaces The President)

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Number of Episodes: 20
Runtime: 70 minutes
Production Company: GnG Production
Chief Producer: Bae Kyung Soo
Producer: Kim Jin Woo (김진우)
Director: Kim Jong Chang
Screenwriter: Lee Sun Hee
Official Homepages: Dramawiki; KBS World/Eng; KBS/Kor; twitter

INTRODUCTION (KBS Global)

This drama is the success story of a woman who began as a minor part actress to become a superstar.

It is also the story of two women who made opposing choices regarding their families.

The story will touch on the themes of human weakness, strength, love, ambition, betrayal, forgiveness and morals.

Thorn Birds is also the story of motherhood.

Mothers attach no conditions to their love and there's no limit to their love.

They unconditionally trust, wait and endure when it comes to their children.

What we need now may be the power of such limitless love.

But does such love exist?

Think of stars in the sky. They are invisible among the flashy city lights but we discover them in our darkest hours.

The love one has is what makes that person shine.

This drama will hopefully portray this kind of infinite love of a twinkling star.

SYNOPSIS

KBS World
Jung Eun has been searching for her biological mother who had abandoned her since birth. Jung Eun and Young Jo become close friends because they share the pain of growing up without a mother. Jung Eun's friend Yoo Kyung, however, is jealous of their relationship. At the age of 25, Jung Eun works as a part-time actress while waiting for her mother to find her. On the other hand, Yoo Kyung struggles for her debut as a film director and meets producer Young Jo. Yoo Kyung seduces Young Jo after discovering that he is an heir to a conglomerate and then gets pregnant. But when Young Jo gives up his family inheritance, she coldly cuts him off from her life. When Yoo Kyung goes into labor and is carried to the hospital due to premature birth, she registers herself as "Jung Eun". And when Yoo Kyung finally finds her biological mother, who is old, sick, and poor, she abandons both her mother and baby. Jung Eun, who is desperate to have a family, takes Yoo Kyung's baby in and visits Yoo Kyung's mother Myung-Ja. And by doing so, Jung Eun changes her fate by pretending to be Myung-Ja's daughter.

Dramawiki

This is the story of two women, Seo Jung Eun and Han Yoo Kyung, who walk very different paths to achieve their desires. Seo Jung Eun is a strong and courageous woman who has suffered a difficult life, having grown up in an orphanage, but continues to embrace people around her despite longing for affection herself. Jung Eun harbours the hope that she will meet her mother if she becomes a star, striving to reach her goal and overcome her suffering with her pure and innocent nature. In contrast, Han Yoo Kyung has a birth secret for which she is willing to throw away everything in order to get revenge. The "thorn birds" of the title refers to Jung Eun's character, who only brings out her best at the cost of great pain. A thorn bird is a mythical bird who searches for a thorn tree from the day it is born. When it finds it, the bird impales itself upon the sharpest thorn, and rises above the agony to sing the most beautiful song ever heard.

RELATIONSHIP (KBS)

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CAST & CHARACTERS (soompi)
*Han Hye Jin as Seo Jung Eun
     o 99'er Kim So Hyun as young Jung Eun
*Joo Sang Wook as Lee Young Jo
     o 93'er Lee Min Ho as young Young Jo
*Kim Min Jung as Han Yoo Kyung
     o 99'er* Yoon Jung Eun as young Yoo Kyung
*Cha Hwa Yun as Yoon Myung Ja/Lee Ae Rin
*Seo Do Young as Choi Kang Woo

Supporting Cast
*06'er Kim Soo Hyun as Han Byul
*Kim Ha Eun as Yang Mi Ryun
*Song Ok Sook as Kim Kye Soon
*Choi Jae Won as Park Han Soo
     o Kim Dong Young as young Han Soo
*Jung Ui Kap as Lee Young Duk
*Jung Eun Byul as Seo Jin
*Oh Hyun Kyung as Young Jo's paternal grandfather
*Kim Young Bae
*Jung Ho Geun
*Yoon Dong Won (Seo Hoo) as PD Soo Jo Geun
*Lee Byung Hoon as PD Sohn Su Chang
*Park Ji Il as Choi Jung Dal
*Ahn Seung Hoon as Yoon Myung Gu
*Lee Won Jae as Yoon Hak Gu
*Lee Mi Young as Soon Geum

Note:
In case anyone forgot, Director Kim Jong Chang was in charge of such dramas as Yellow Handkerchief, Terms of Endearment, My Rosy Lilfe, Happy Woman, and Again My Love.

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CHARACTER PROFILES of the MAIN LEADS


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Actress Seo Jung-eun (ages 24 - 31, Han Hye-jin) / (age 14, Kim So Hyun)

A woman who is kind with a strong light!

A promising newcomer who is unfairly dropped and works as a supporting actress who regains a chance to shine late in her life.

At age 26 she fulfills her wish of having a family.
Every time something painful happened to her at the orphanage, she gained support from the picture of the pretty lady she picked up off the street.

After shedding blood tears and earning both love and fame, Yoo-kyung appears...


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Movie Producer Lee Young-jo (ages 26 - 33, Joo Sang-wook) / (age 17, Lee Min Ho)

Illegitimate son to an heir, the fateful leader to this tragedy!

Surprising concentration and cold decision making, he can accomplish any task under any circumstances but behind his cold exterior, he harbors a deep scar.

The illegitimate son to an heir and the fateful leader to this tragedy.
While his sympathy and affection for his money hungry mother and half brother is turned into suffering, he falls into a pit of despair when he finds out that the woman he loved, Yoo-kyung, only approached him for his money.

During his hardship, he starts to build a love for Jung-eun who stays with him throughout but comes to the realization of several big secrets. As his heart is torn apart in anger, he still protects his love and honor.


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Movie Director Han Yoo-kyung (ages 24 - 31, Kim Min-jung) / (age 14, Yoon Jung Eun)

Being Jung-eun's oldest friend, she is also the worst enemy.
She is a talented woman who relies on her skills and looks but behind her warm smile lurks an icy thorn.

At first she lives happily with the man who she seduced and came to love, Young-jo, and her strongest enemy, Jung-eun.

However, she wants to occupy their lives again.
Since they were hers first....


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Movie Director Choi Kang-woo (ages 26 - 33, Seo Do-young)

A romanticist who protects both love and honor!

He respects even his father who is the most villainous person in the movie industry.
He also shares a deep friendship with Young-jo who is the son of the enemy.

He falls for Jung-eun when he sees her at the studio and puts all of his heart into courting her but parts with her after an argument. When he sees her after a couple of months as the mother of a child, scorn filled, he turns his back to her but as they keep meeting running into each other at work, he feels sympathy. In front of others, he is harsh to her for no reason at all but behind their backs, he helps to break her anonymity and watches on with great happiness as she becomes a star.

But that Jung-eun loves his friend, Young-jo.

translation credits to Q_Park

the above character descriptions & relationship chart are for the viewers to get a general idea of the story; they are not necessarily set in stone, since script/storyline can change during the course of the drama's broadcast.

KBS World Trailer (e-subbed) on Youtube

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First episode premiered tonight! I'm surprised KBS America did not have any promos for this (unless I missed it)... usually they have a promo trailer or screen announcing the premiere date between the dramas or after the prime time news a few days/weeks before the new show - I did not see one for this.

I don't know what to make of the first episode... Kind of left me with odd impressions. I kept thinking, "What the heck?" when watching the episode, especially in relation to some rather bizarre situations surrounding the kids' mothers. All 3 kids have mother/s with serious issues... wonder if they are related?

Jeung Eun's mother dumped her at the orphanage and is a mystery, remaining hidden.

Young-jo's mother is an outcast of the family and was hidden, with a shady past, and present who was lead to believe was dead (but then relatives or whoever they were just slipped to Young-jo that she's alive as if they were talking about the weather - the heck? LOL) ... The reuniting moment in the police station between the two, was so nonchalant, though later their discussion outside the station felt a little more plausible.

Then after a creepy back-alley scene where Yoo-kyung was assaulted by 3 boys, she looks injured badly... is taken the hospital and patched up and after that harrowing experience, comes out of the hospital acting like everything is all dandy. emoticon Upon getting home she overhears who she thought was her mom complaining about the family situation and wanting to get rid of YK, to YK's real mom who dumped her with the (now fake mom? Aunt? Friend?) ... After that heavy scene, JE is only thinking of their sleepover (wasn't she listening to what was going on? or was this her way of comforting her friend?), to which YK is in a bad mood and reacts rather negatively towards JE, given that her world seemingly just crashed - then after a misunderstanding at school the next day, they're going to be rivals?

I don't know.... it was a series of strange scenes to me. I don't know if perhaps the editing we get locally ruined the flow or if I just watched this too late and at a bad time, but this felt off to me.

I'll try keep an open mind to see how the next few episodes develop though, maybe the first episode's set up will be more established after the 10 year flash forward.

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class blockquote I don't know.... it was a series of strange scenes to me. I don't know if perhaps the editing we get locally ruined the flow or if I just watched this too late and at a bad time, but this felt off to me.Han Hye Jin has mentioned in an interview that the cast & crew filmed for 90min worth of footage, but to fit the 60-65min timeslot in Korea, edits had to be made. With KBS America further editing to fit their much shorter timeslot, you can imagine just how much is lost. class blockquote I'll try keep an open mind to see how the next few episodes develop though, maybe the first episode's set up will be more established after the 10 year flash forward.This drama unfolds in a novel (is that what it's called) format? We start at the present, given a scene to ponder upon, then the story goes back 17yrs to when the girls are 14. At the end of the first episode, the story moves forward 10yrs, to when the girls are now 24. But knowing the synopsis and looking at the character chart, another 6-7yrs shall pass somewhere before the present is reached.

So many questions arise just from the opening scene of the drama. Basing on what we are given from the synopsis/character profile, how did it get to that point? Why would JE say such words? Why did she react the way she did going down the escalator? Why did Young Jo turn away and turn back? Why did JE go in the opposite direction?

So several crucial scenes were taken out by KBS America.

One, right after JE + YK are dismissed by the orphanage director:
Outside, JE sighs, frustrated that she is unable to find info on her birth mother. YK comforts her by taking hold of her hand. JE tells YK that YK's mother will scold her for being out late, to which YK replies that her mother can't be bothered with her these days--that her parents might be getting divorced. Before JE can comfort her YK brightly says that she's fine, even if her parents break up, they are still a family. [Personally, I don't think she's okay at all. She stays out all night, not wanting to come home is already a good indication]. Though JE says she sees, I don't think she completely does, never having a family herself (she was given up for adoption as a baby, but as she is still with the orphanage at this age...).

JE then shows YK a photo of her mom. Well, not her mom, but of actress Lee Ae Rin (the woman who was at Young Jo's grandpa's home with her manager, asking for his help). She confides to YK that it's wishful thinking--she hopes the face of her mother would look like this. When she was little she stumbled on the picture and seeing as how pretty the lady in the photo was, bragged to all her classmates in kindergarten that that was her mom. Imagine the humiliation she receives because the lady in the photo is a well-known movie actress. However, from that time on, JE says that her heart tells her this is the face of her mom. Even though she knows Lee Ae Rin is not her birth mom, whenever she looks at the photo, she likes to call out "Mom". She then says to YK that she must be odd, right?

The conversation moves to JE asking for YK's assessment of her "Sponsor Night" performance. YK tells her she didn't look one bit afraid, to which JE replies that YK is even more amazing, looking like a real movie director. YK asks her if she's serious about becoming an actress. JE explains her reason: if she becomes super famous, her mother would surely come looking for her, right? YK suggests that JE make a video letter to her mom. This is what she says in the heartwarming video to her mom:
"Hello! I had a performance today, and I got lots of applause. It would've been really nice if you had been there. Grandma director loved it. And lots of people came to watch. And lots of little dongsaengs too. It was all good. But...but, by chance...If you feel bad towards me. And that's why you couldn't contact me first. I understand all that. So don't feel bad. Since we live under the same sky. Those times that we can't meet are such a waste. What I want to say is...For giving birth to me so well. Thank you very much."

JE also thanks YK for becoming her friend. The two head to the bus stop where JE sees YK onto the bus for home. Coming off of the bus that YK gets on, is Young Jo, who bumps into JE. Young Jo is walking home and spots Han Su waiting for him. Han Su chases after Young Jo. The two run by and knock down JE, and the KBS America episode continues from there, till the end of the night scene.

The next morning, JE relates the event of the previous evening to YK. YK presses for more info, but JE runs away with YK running after her. The car holding Lee Aerin, driven by Choi Jungdal nearly hits YK. Lee Aerin comes out. YK and JE recognize her as the famous actress. Lee Aerin asks if YK is okay and YK asks Lee Aerin if she could sign an autograph. JE takes out the photo she keeps in her wallet and Lee Aerin signs it. She makes the comment (not sure to which one) that she has a very good friend, then goes to stroke YK's face. She leaves in the car. Back to the KBS America portion with Young Jo just arriving home. class blockquote Young-jo's mother is an outcast of the family and was hidden, with a shady past, and present who was lead to believe was dead (but then relatives or whoever they were just slipped to Young-jo that she's alive as if they were talking about the weather - the heck? LOL) ...Actually, Young Jo's mom is more like a mistress. The woman we saw with Young Jo's grandpa when Young Jo asks about his birth mom, is his Stepmom (not Aunt like in the KBS America subtitles). Understand why she made that one comment to Young Jo when he pleads her for her help, since she's the official wife to Young Jo's dad, recognized by the family. Young Jo's grandpa also blames Young Jo's mom for his son's early demise.

The whoever they were that you mentioned, are actually Lee Aerin and her manager Choi Jungdal. Young Jo's grandpa "discovered" Lee Aerin and is her sponsor in a way. Notice the comment from Young Jo's grandpa wondering what hold Choi Jungdal has over her. Choi Jungdal intensely dislikes Young Jo's grandpa. You can see his devious look when he let more words slip out regarding Young Jo's birth mom, though his first statement to Young Jo was innocent. Young Jo's grandpa knew who was responsible when Young Jo asked about his birth mom.

Going back to the hold that Choi Jungdal supposedly has over Lee Aerin...when YJ goes to Lee Aerin, asking about the whereabouts of his mom, pay attention to her expression as she says "But to those who are called mothers. That doesn't work. A mother is still a mother. No reason and no excuse will work. Those things aren't even human beings. So you should forget about it too." It's as if she was also condemning herself, not just Young Jo's mother.

I think there was a little bit of editing done in the police station scene by KBS America. After she hears from her other son that the other one was Young Jo, she attempts to quickly leave, but Young Jo stops her with his words, wanting to know why.

And here's another crucial scene cut by KBS America, right after Young Jo's mother gets off the bench at the police station:
JE has overheard pretty much everything, tears streaming down her face. She runs after Young Jo's mother, who is slowly walking out, calling out:
"How can a person be like this?! What kind of mother could do this?! [Young Jo's mother turns around] Isn't he your son? Your son has been looking for you! He looks so tall and so smart! But he's still little."

Young Jo's mother asks who JE is. JE replies: "Me? Someone without a mom." Young Jo's mother turns to go. JE keeps on: "Go and hold his hand at the least. You could speak nicely about things. How could you say such a thing?!"

The look on Young Jo's mother as she turns around again: "Nicely? If only speaking nicely could..." Again she turns to leave. JE yells out: "He could understand then. He could understand it." As Young Jo's mother continues to leave, she says out loud to herself "What do I say, so he can understand? What is there to say?" Tears form on her eyes.

Back inside the police station, JE is still awaiting news on her mother. She sees the policewoman. Looking at the policewoman's face she knows her mom doesn't want to see her. She asks if she's correct that her mom won't let her know her name or her address. JE goes to another part of the police station, sits down and cries her heart out. A policeman comes by, concerned, asks her where her guardian, or rather her mom was. JE cries harder, calling out for her mother. The policewoman comes out seeing that JE is still there, and the policeman asks what it was all about. Young Jo overhears what is said b/w the two police officers, as he is sitting not far away. After her "hour long" cry, JE gets up to leave and Young Jo comes over, asking if she's hungry. Back to the KBS America portion...

Several more cut scenes, after JE leaves YK's home. YK, in her room, looks at the family photo. Lee Aerin in her home, drinking, screaming in anguish. Young Jo's mother drunken on the streets, bumps into a man, starts hitting him, gets pushed to the ground. Back to the KBS America portion showing Young Jo w/ the scarf. Another cut scene: JE in her room shared w/ other orphans, looking out the window. The next morning, YK must have turned up in her false mom's room during the night, because the false mom finds a pair of arms wrapped around her middle. The look on the false mom--she can't keep doing this. She tries to remove YK from her, but to no avail, and ends up sighing heavily.

At least now there's correlation b/w the drama's title and the thorns in one's heart, as explained by JE to Young Jo.

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class blockquote creidesca wrote: class blockquote I don't know.... it was a series of strange scenes to me. I don't know if perhaps the editing we get locally ruined the flow or if I just watched this too late and at a bad time, but this felt off to me.Han Hye Jin has mentioned in an interview that the cast & crew filmed for 90min worth of footage, but to fit the 60-65min timeslot in Korea, edits had to be made. With KBS America further editing to fit their much shorter timeslot, you can imagine just how much is lost.Ah, that makes a lot of sense. It sounds like the presentation of the storyline has suffered due to both blows.

Thank you for the detailed information on the edits and clarifying a few of the scenes! I found reading your post more interesting than what I saw last night. LOL

After reading your post about the lost content and some of the back-stories that link these characters, I might have to try to watch episode 1 unedited version. I know the first scenes made little sense to me at first blush without the connections drawn later on and in the edited scenes you mentioned. Watching it again now will probably feel more accessible.



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This drama IMO is fast paced compared to most other miniseries that I've seen; it certainly doesn't beat around the bush with the plot devices. At one point I thought the drama's revenge plotline would be on the same level as SBS "Angel's Temptation"/"Temptation of Angel". I had based that on the 5min trailer put out for "Thorn Birds". This 5min trailer literally blew my mind away because all the events that transpired in that 5min trailer, you would expect to see done bout 1/2way through the drama, but it's all done by EP 4-5. Definitely a drama that should be watched in its entirety. Thank goodness mvibo provides the 1st 2 epis free of charge, as well as fan subs from the viki channel and the WITHS2 team.

One other connection that "Thorn Birds" has w/ "Temptation of Angel" is that the actress portraying Lee Aerin/Yoon Myung Ja is the same actress that portrayed the mother that brought ruin to her family in "Temptation of Angel".

However, the drama's focus is not on the revenge, but on family, mothers, and the decisions made by the 2 female leads.

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The first episode was one of the faster paced series I've seen lately, especially with all the complexity of the backstories and editing issues.

Thanks for the reminder on the new kbsworldi.com, mvibo site... I've been meaning to check it out.

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Thanks for the reminder on the new kbsworldi.com, mvibo site... I've been meaning to check it out.
I just tested the 1st episode at mvibo. Translations seems to be different from the one shown on TV. Better and not better--some lines are translated very well, other lines, they decide to "shorten", so certain things that might not seem pertinent (but actually is) gets left out. Signs/text are translated too. Overall, the translator seems to be paying attention and careful of paraphrasing (I'd rather they not though) to fit the situation. I guess it's a good idea to watch all the various subtitles (fansubs and KBS World and mvibo), so that I won't be missing out on anything.


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Poor American...
KBS American cut the episodes out !
I suggest you to watch it again online...
It is so annoying to see the drama but it is not complete...

Yup, the first episodes is fast.. but it is OK, because it makes us wonder and want to watch more.. it will be revealed slowly on the next episodes, so be patient .. This drama is getting more and more interesting...

creidesca :
So many questions arise just from the opening scene of the drama. Basing on what we are given from the synopsis/character profile, how did it get to that point? Why would JE say such words? Why did she react the way she did going down the escalator? Why did Young Jo turn away and turn back? Why did JE go in the opposite direction?

YUP, the answers will revealed soon... so keep watching, guys..
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From the first episodes:
Han yoo kyung is inconsistent. In the night, she said to JeongEun that she was okay with the scar on her hands, but the next morning she accused JeongEun for
telling everybody on the school..
She should have knowned that Jeong Eun will not do such things because
Jeong Eun is a kind person.
and she hates her ever since..

What a lousy friend...
I don't like her character from the first episodes..

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