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If they are numbered one through five, why is it taught that there are 4? Or is one of the tones very similar to the other?
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If they are numbered one through five, why is it taught that there are 4? Or is one of the tones very similar to the other?
Because the 5th tone is a distinctive staccato-type sound. It's a short sound. Off hand, I can think of two words: "de" and "le". The old pin yin system, you would put a dot on top of the pin yin to indicate this staccato-type sound to the word. But the basis of Mandarin is 4 intonations plus the staccato tone.

ccwf gave the best example:

"hao3 yi1 duo3 mei3 li4 de5 muo4 li4 hua1!" (What a beautiful rose!). The de5 is a possessive pronoun--mine, his, hers-- in English.

It's hard for me to explain the Chinese language because I've never learned the rules. I sort of learned it by osmosis....just like my kids are learning English now by osmosis.

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Oh, I see. Thanks ccwf and merela for the tone explanation. I'm glad Japanese, the language I'm learning, is non-tonal.
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I'm glad Japanese, the language I'm learning, is non-tonal.
Japanese does have pitch changes. They're just slight and not as essential as in Chinese. They also vary more from region to region than the Chinese tones do amongst Mandarin speakers.

Examples:classulclassliclasssupee (Yes)classliclasssupii (good)classliclasssupIi desu classsupnee.classliWaclasssupkarimasu ka?

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Ah, yes. I'm familiar with those. Or Kyooto instead of Kiyoto.
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classblockquotemerela wrote:

This information is for those who can read Chinese (obviously emoticon ). I'll try to translate it into English later today
A translation would be nice. (I did get a very brief, informal summary from my mother.)

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BTW, the link I originally posted does not work anymore. If someone has saved the file when they first heard it, maybe someone can re-post it. Thanks.


這首歌描寫的是真人真事的遭遇:
What this song describes really happened to someone:

  一位純潔質撲的鄉下女孩,離開故鄉到都市謀生。她愛上了一位男孩,並已論及婚嫁。但是後來那男孩卻遺棄了她,致使她淪落風塵……

A plain and innocent country girl leaves the country side and heads for the city seeking livelihood. She fell in love with a boy and they were talking about marriage. But later on, the boy leaves her causing her to lead a life of prostitution...... (note: I guess in the old days, if a girl sleeps with a guy and he doesn't marry her, the only possible path in life she could have taken is prostitution)

  一朵在黑夜裡被風雨吹落的花,就像她的命運:她「離葉離枝」掉落地上受人踐踏的遭遇,誰不感到心酸及惋惜呢?

Her life is just like a flower that was blown off its stem by rain and wind in the middle of the night: She was "separated from its stem and leaves" and had fallen onto the ground and gets stepped on by people. Who wouldn't feel the hurt and regret for her?!

  在當時男尊女卑的社會傳統下,這個令人哀嘆的小故事,是許多女子共同的心聲吧?令人說不完、也訴不盡……

Under the societal and traditional constraints where men are superior than women, this sad little story is perhaps universally describing the sad lives of many women during that period in time. Endless untold stories.....

  淒涼悲哀的 《 雨夜花 》 ,感人肺腑扣人心弦,歌詞中所描述的「雨」、「夜」、「花」後來變成臺語流行歌曲重要的主題意象,影響臺語歌詞的創作方向。

This very sad "Flowers in the Rainy Nights" song touches the hearts of many people. The rain, night, and the flower depicted by the lyrics later on became the main (and frequently) themes in many of the Taiwanese popular songs of that time. This song is a major influence in the creative direction of Taiwanese song in that period.
  

《 歌 詞 》 Lyrics

雨夜花、雨夜花、受風雨吹落地,無人看見,暝日怨嗟,花謝落土不再回。
Rainy night flower, rainy night flower, got blown to the ground by the wind and rain. No one sees it, wishes otherwise, once the flower petal reached the soil, it will not return......

[I'll continue with translation later. Off to dinner.]


花落土、花落土、有啥人通看顧,無情風雨,誤阮前途,花蕊凋落欲如何。
雨無情、雨無情、無想阮的前程,並無看護,軟弱心性,乎阮前途失光明。
雨水滴、雨水滴、引阮入受難池,怎樣乎阮,離葉離枝,永遠無人通看見。
  


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Thanks for the information, ccwf and merela. I appreciate it, and the lyrics of the song are fascinating. The era we are speaking of here is the early 1900s?
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classblockquoteccwf wrote:

An (imperfect) analogy I sometimes use is to compare the Taiwan/Nationalist/China situation to the one between Ireland and the UK. Apparently, others find the analogy apt, too.
From today's announcement, The IRA pledges a farewell to arms:classblockquotethe Irish Republican Army - announced Thursday it was permanently abandoning military operations.

The decision by the IRA - which used assassinations and bombings to pursue its goal of a Northern Ireland free from British rule - is a poignant coda to one era of terrorism. Politically, it also offers a possible break in the standoff between Northern Ireland's Catholics and Protestants that for months has stymied progress toward a peace accord.

The IRA statement directed all units to cease armed activity now and pledged to pursue its aims through politics[….]

British Prime Minister Tony Blair hailed the announcement as "a step of unparalleled magnitude in the recent history of Northern Ireland."

"This may be the day when finally after all the false dawns and dashed hope, peace replaces war, politics replaces terror on the island of Ireland," Mr. Blair said.


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That is truly a historical step to ending native European terrorism. What will happen to the IRA leaders now? Will they be tried for their crimes?
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