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What a fascinating story. Thank you so much merala. It is a part of history which has been almost erased and forgotten generally. However, I think it should be told, because all of history is of interest. I never quite understand the hatred which is carried forward for generations after wars and occupations. I cannot think that way personally altho there are situations where I could take that path. I am too thrilled about life and the world and how it spins. We cannot live yesterday and the future is a mystery. There is just today to enjoy.. and do something now.
This drama has certainly opened up a variety of subjects to investigate...

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Hi, Peggy! Glad to see you here. Fascinating story, and thanks to merela for the links. I'm enjoying this one a lot, the first Chinese program I've made time to watch. Who is the actor who is playing Li Tien-min? hyena
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Hyena..

Lost my reply..please excuse. I was delighted to see you here. I have not really posted a lot here on this site although I do 'Lurk'. However, this drama was so wonderful I had to talk about it. I do not know the actor playing Pu Yi although his face seems familar to me. I am sure someone will know. I wish they would give the names of the cast when they run the credits.
What else are you watching at the moment? I am still having a lot of pleasure and fun with 'Pride'. Have so many on the shelf to unwrap but not enough time at the moment...

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I watch just about any of the Asian programming, although I don't see as many as you do. I post mostly on the Korean strings, but also the Japanese. I've watched some of the Chinese before, but I watch the clock with this one so I can see it, although I missed the first part of Friday night's episode. Apparently someone got shot? Yes, the actor seems familiar to me, too. Perhaps he has appeared in some Western movie? The woman is beautiful, too, and very effective, I think. I can understand a bit of Korean and some Japanese, but I think this language will stop me (although I said the same about Japanese!). Now that I know more of the actual story, even though the drama has departed from reality, it will be more interesting. hyena
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Hyena,
Yes the 14th Princess (Japanese spy) ordered her assistant to kill the lawyer. Unfortunately his wife or fiancee took the bullet in the shoulder. she is unconscious in hospital and this causes Wen to decide to go to the Puprle Garden residence. I do not think that the assassins ever killed any of the lawyers involved in the real divorce case. I think Merala has researched that part.
It is a curious thing to me that anyone would want to become concubine to this Emperor at this time in history. He was not the most powerful virile man and had no political say so. Why would parents push their daughter into this situation. It was already late into the thirties when he went to Manchuria.No real future although I suppose he was deceived by the 14th Princess and the Japanese. The future was pretty grim after Mao Tse Tung began his long march and climb to power. There would be no help from Chiang Kai Chek and the KMT they took off for Formosa. It seems to me that I read somewhere that after all was over in the fighting and Japanese gone from Chia that an american Geneeral was living in Tientsin for a long time. Was it Cheneault? House is still there.

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the actor portraying Pu Yi is Li Ya Peng, he's pretty famous for his role as the lead character in the chinese mainland version of Legend of the Condor Heroes/Legend of Arching Hero and State of Divinity. He's currently also Faye Wong's boyfriend.

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classblockquotebrad6 wrote:
It is a curious thing to me that anyone would want to become concubine to this Emperor at this time in history. He was not the most powerful virile man and had no political say so. Why would parents push their daughter into this situation. It was already late into the thirties when he went to Manchuria.No real future although I suppose he was deceived by the 14th Princess and the Japanese.


Well, in the old days, the only way for a woman to be successful in life was if she married well. Marrying the Emperor was as well as a woman can do. Of course the goal was to be the first wife, but being the concubine of an Emperor was a not bad thing either. The goal of an Emperor's concubine was to bear a son and hopefully the boy would become the Emperor someday. So life in the Palace was not an easy one but if a woman was chosen to be the Emperor's court, her life would be in the lap of luxury. All women knew the risks and the sadness of going into the Royal household, but if the woman, instead of going into the royal court, marries and becomes a rich man's wife, she would encounter similar fate. Rich men in those days have concubines which was a status symbol. Besides, girls are not as valued as boys, so as the fathers of girls, if they can become rich and powerful because of their daughters' association with the royal court, any father would do it--give their daughters to the Emperor/royal court. Women in those days had no say in who they marry. Their fathers decide their marriages for them....especially women from "good" families.

Of course, no father would know whether the Emperor was virile or whether he would be nice to his daughter. They would all rule it out as FATE.

There were lots of stories about why Pu-Yi never had sex with his Empress or his concubine. Lots of speculations--one was, he could have being molested as a child as he was the only boy/man in the royal household. He was surrounded by lonely women and castrated men--in my mind, that's worse that growing up in a brothel!! Another speculation was that he was probably gay. Or he was probably not in love with either Wan-Rong or Wen-Hsiu. Or he could be just impotent because of many generations of marriages between close relatives, since members of the royal family married each other. Of course, he had his picks of women in the royal court and maybe he was sleeping with other women. In any case, we would never know why he was that way since he never gave an explanation in his autobiography.

I suspect the reason why Wan-Rong was so jealous of Wen-Hsiu was that Pu-Yi never slept with her either, so Wan-Rong probably thought Pu-Yi was always with Wen-Hsiu. By the time she realized that Pu-Yi never touched both women, it was too late.

All very sad, but it certainly makes an intriguing story.



Empress Wan Rong was played by the actress who played Pearl Princess 還珠格格 in 還珠格格3 (Princess [Returning] Pearl 3) and the Concubine Wen-Hsiu was played by the actress who was the virginal call girl that the Emperor fell in love with in 還珠格格3 (Princess [Returning] Pearl 3). So both actresses know each other. The producers cast the Wen-Hsiu role first and apparently, the role Empress Wan-Rong was turned down by another actress and they had to search for another actress to play Wan-Rong.



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It is very sad about Iris Chang. She was an authority in Chinese history and the Chinese-American experience. Shame to see her commit suicide like that.

It is also sad about Princess Yoshiko. She was killed by the Americans then in Japan, or by the Kuomintang in 1948?

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I found lots of sites re the Emperor Pu Yi and in one of them It stated that the Communist Chinese executed the spy Princess and at that time she was around forty years of age. In a way she might have made a stronger Empress to rule than Pu Yi an emperor. She was tough just like the old Empress.
Pu Yi may well have been homosexual. He kept a young boy with him as his close companion. He was also a very harsh man. When he was an adult he had a young boy flogged publicly, in his presence, to the point of death.One would wonder why.
His last wife, chosen by the Chinese Comunists, I think, died in 1950. We are not talking about ancient history here and that makes his life and his lack of freedom so fascinating.Such a mixture of luxury and incarceration.
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Thanks Peggy. But she was executed in 1948, right? So she couldn't have been executed by the Communists, because the Nationalists were still in power at that time. I guess what happened was that after the war ended, she chose to stay in China, and was executed in 1948.

Pu Yi had a boy flogged publicly? This was in what year?
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