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Re: J-Drama: おんな城主 直虎 (NAOTORA: The Lady Warlord)


<EPISODE 6>

OK, I am finally all caught up with the Taiga just in time for tomorrow's new episode. Is it anybody else watching? It would be fun to read your comments about what we've seen so far!

Though I was sad to see that Kame and Otowa won't be getting married, perhaps it is for the best. Otowa being released from the temple would undoubtedly result in an attack from the Imagawa, resulting in the complete destruction of the Ii family. Plus, Kame and Otowa are the only heirs to the Ii family. If something happened to both of them, there goes the entire family bloodline. It was a big sacrifice, but Otowa's decision shows how deeply she loves her family and cares about continuing the Ii family. This way, she'll be on "standby" to lead the country should anything happen to Kame going forward.

It is sad that Otowa has had to sacrifice herself since the time she was a child for her family. When she was younger, going to the temple saved the family from destruction at the hands of the Imagawa. Now, Kame is back, and Otowa is once again sacrificing herself by staying behind at the temple so that Kame can regain his position as the heir to the Ii family and begin training for the role as the eventual lord of the clan. It must be painful for Otowa to see that Kame has gotten married so quickly, even though he didn't really want to do it.

My gut feeling is that despite Kame's marriage, he and Otowa will remain very close and Otowa will advise Kame on many political issues going forward. After all, she is extremely wise - more so than a lot of the people in her family!

There is a little rivalry developing between Kame and Tsuru, as I expected. Kame seems to be more popular and socially adept than the rather cold and frigid Tsuru, and Tsuru doesn't seem well-liked because of his late father's ties to the Imagawa. Still, though, I think there is a real friendship there and despite a little rivalry, I don't think Kame will stab Tsuru in the back (and vice-versa).

I'm curious to see how the story will pan out now that the ball is rolling. It's such a surprise to see one of my favorite actors, Sadao Abe, play Tokugawa Ieyasu. I'm interested in seeing his interpretation of the character!

We're still in 1554. Episode 7 airs tomorrow. I'm glad to be all caught up with this drama!
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<EPISODE 7>

Good episode, but I'm not looking forward to the rivalries that are developing between the characters. I can already predict what will happen between Tsuru and Kame. Two childhood friends who both failed to win the heart of the women they loved are now embroiled in political strife, not able to win the trust of each other. I certainly hope this does not end in somebody breaking out in rebellion - either Kame or Tsuru. Who knows.

I think one of these two will have to "eat it" if they want to save their relationship. In Tsuru's defense, he is caught between a rock and a hard place. He can lose his life if he protects the Ii clan, since the Imagawa would have his head if he went against them. At the same time, even if he were to sacrifice himself for the Ii, they wouldn't save him - we saw that Kame got awfully close to throwing Tsuru under the bus when the truth behind the secret village was going to be exposed by the surveyor.

At the same time, I think Kame is trying to exert his power and feel Tsuru out. It was the wrong way to go about it, and I wish Kame hadn't tried to expose Tsuru in that way - right in front of the land surveyor! At the same time, hopefully Kame will realize that Tsuru is trustworthy, and perhaps the two will begin to rebuild their friendship. Kame moving away will result in him being away from both Tsuru and Otowa for a while, and maybe that's a good thing. Being away from it all may let the fire die down a bit, and when Kame does come back, hopefully things will be less awkward between the three childhood friends.

One side story I'm not looking forward to is the rivalry between Otowa and Shino, Kame's wife. Shades of Sanadamaru! A jealous wife is largely ignored by her husband, who prefers to associate more with a woman he will never marry, but who he trusts (and perhaps loves) more than anyone else. I hope this storyline will be squashed, because I don't want to spend another 50 episodes repeating the same tired plot lines we saw in Sanadamaru. I'm glad Kame and his wife are moving away - then again, from the looks of the previews, Otowa is still getting involved in their martial woes!

I started the episode off not caring much for Tsuru, but now that I watched this episode, I actually feel sorry for him. Like Otowa, he sacrificed his life for the sake of the Ii - having to cancel two marriage offers! At the same time, Otowa is loved and respected by her family. Tsuru is disliked and distrusted - not a good place to be.

Good episode! We're still in 1554. Episode 8 airs tonight.
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I would like to point out that Kiri was no love interest in Sanadamaru. Yukimura's Love interests were Ume and Haru who sadly were portrayed largely negatively. In reality Yukimura cared about Otani Yoshitsugu's young daughter a lot and was said to be very close with her (they had 7 children in the span of 14 years). Also Otani Yoshitsugu's daughter was a supportive and kind woman and not jealous. Historically she was there for Yukimura during Kudoyama and Osaka while Takanashi Naiki's aging daughter historically did nothing and was irrelevant and very likely wasn't there anymore at the time Yukimura married Otani's daughter.

The portrayal of Ina (Nobuyuki's wife) was also a catastrophe since historically she was pretty cool and respected.

The garbage Sanadamaru versions can't hold a candle to the historical versions and the accurate versions of Ina and Otani's daughter in Sanada Taiheiki.
Sanadamaru just bashed all important female characters and showed endless filler Kiri scenes. Sakai Masato was also a badly written and miscast Yukimura.

As for Naotora:

While unlike Kiri she isn't a filler/largely fictional character there are several mistakes in the portrayal.
Historically neither Kame nor Tsuru loved her. Kame (Naochika) was said to be a Playboy who slept around while gone for years.
He returned already married to Hiyo (Shino in the drama). He historically seemed to have had 0 interest in Naotora.

However this plot at least doesn't drag.

NHK Taiga aren't trustworthy they spread many false information nowadays. It's all about showcasing actors.

In Naotora I think Ieyasu's plotline is the most interesting so far.


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<EPISODE 8>

This was another good episode! I was on the edge of my seat watching Shino and Otowa go at it. Poor Otowa! Shino was clearly unhinged and suffering from the emotional stress associated with the pressures of not being able to conceive in a family that is desperately searching for an heir. Until Shino produces an heir, the fate of the Ii family will be up in the air.

I did get a kick out of how Otowa lost her cool against Shino when she was accused of putting a curse on her. The Taigas usually portray the heroines as larger than life figures who end up sacrificing and suppressing their own emotions in order to look cool, calm, and collected. However, I end up questioning if they would really allow themselves to be trampled on for the sake of looking good. Not Otowa! I'm glad she didn't hide her emotions and acted as horrified as she should have been for being accused of such a horrible thing. It's nice to see the main characters act like actual humans!

Otowa is definitely right. Shino is immature and unstable, but I think she will make an excellent mother who will stake her life for the family's future when she eventually does conceive.

The arrangement Kame and Shino made with Otowa's parents was a fair one. If Shino cannot conceive in one year, it will be only fair for Kame to take a concubine. I know it is a difficult pill for Shino to swallow, but Kame seems to be a nice person who will not divorce Shino or force her to leave even if he does take a concubine. As was mentioned, she will still be the official wife and will most likely be responsible for raising Kame's son as the heir to the Ii family.

Otowa played a largely peripheral role in this episode, but I believe her role will expand as the episodes move on. Great acting by Shibasaki Kou!

Speaking of acting, I finally realized that Shino is played by actress Shihori Kanjiya, who we've seen in dramas like Chiritotechin, the asadora from a few years back. She is a great actress and it was good to see her here, even though Shino got on my nerves a bit!

The Tokugawa Ieyasu plotline is interesting, indeed. He is now married to Sena, who is a cousin of Otowa's father and Kame. (Otowa's grandfather, Kame's father, and Sena's mother are brothers and sister). I guess we will see Ieyasu mature and rise to power - although at this point, he is still a hostage of the Imagawa.

We're now in 1560, and the Oda are coming onto center stage. We are about to see the showdown at Okehazama between the Imagawa and the Oda - with the Ii also sending troops as vassals to the Imagawa. Episode 9 airs next week!

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Shihori also played Mitsu in Fuurin Kazan. I like her a lot.

The jealousy part wasn't necessary at all just like in Sanadamaru.
In reality Kame returned already married and technically actually dumped Naotora.
In Shino's case I have to say that the pressure for heirs might be understandable though.


Sanadamaru's jealousy part made me facepalm more since it was ridiculous:
Haru was the daughter of Otani Yoshitsugu, a decade younger and 10 times more beautiful than Kiri (who looked rather old), she produced many important kids quickly and was historically important to Yukimura unlike Kiri who was pushed aside.
In fact I thought that Sakai Masato's Yukimura should have worshipped the ground Haru walked on considering that Matsuoka Mayu who played her is gorgeous. It was embarassing that he pretended that she is gross or something. Especially since it is pointed out by many in Sanadamaru that Yoshitsugu's daughter is very beautiful (she was sweet in Sanada Taiheiki as well).
On the other hand she was compared to Ume a lot and he didn't want her to die against the Tokugawa forbidding her to fight alongside lil Daisuke.
Actually I think that Sakai's Yukimura should have deserved to watch Haru die since he treated her like trash.

Interestingly I recently rewatched Sanada Taiheiki and noticed that Yodo, Hideyori and even Daisuke there got a well executed suicide scene unlike in Sanadamaru in very dramatic way. You will feel sorry for each of them, especially Daisuke who unlike in Sanadamaru has a good connection to his father.



Back to Naotora:
Ieyasu and Sena are very entertaining and I like the actors. In this case I like the weird relationship. Sena/Tsukiyama as a character has appeared in Taiga quite often as a footnote however since there is a theory that Sena is related to the Ii she is a character with an arc in Naotora.
I also like Shihori and Kou as actresses.


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Let's try to keep extensive discussion regarding last year's Taiga drama in its respective topic.

Returning back to the discussion of Naotora, I, too, feel that the Sena-Ieyasu plotline is an interesting one. I personally am not too well acquainted with the first half of Ieyasu's life and so watching him as a vassal to the Imagawa here is fascinating.

The chose of Sadao Abe to play Ieyasu is also a great decision. He is funny, but I also think he will begin to hold his own as Ieyasu ages and matures in the coming episodes.

Excellent Taiga thus far!
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It's interesting to see Ieyasu's growth. He was passed around as hostage as a child first to the Oda than to the Imagawa until he was married.
His parents basically had no influence on his development. I guess that basically having to take responsibility for himself very early influenced him a lot.

The bird/falconry image is interesting as well. Falconry became one of Ieyasu's hobbies. However in the Taiga he at first uses small birds.
It's the one step at a time image which is also often used to describe Ieyasu's personality.

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Yes, I loved that bit with the falconry from a few episodes back. We've always seen Ieyasu as a skilled falconer, so it wasn't lost on me that he started off raising a sparrow while he was an hostage over at the Imagawa's.

I'm completely in the dark about what happened between Ieyasu and the Imagawa later on, so I look forward to finding out in future episodes of this Taiga.
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I am having a strange time with this drama. I can't find it most of the time as it seems to be on TV when I am watching one more to my liking. I thought it was very slow at the very beginning and I cannot say I admired the girl who played Naotora at the beginning maybe that was because it seemed a slow moving story to me. Also it is no longer easy for me t see the TV now that eyesight is failing.That is why I cannot write about dramas as I would like to but I am still watching an enjoying many.


Greetings Greg.....
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It's great to hear from you, Peggy! Thank you so much for checking in with us on the board - we always enjoy reading your posts. emoticon If you ever decide to give this drama another chance, it airs on Sunday evenings at 6:00pm on UTB.

<EPISODE 9>

This was a very sad episode, and I did not expect Towa's father to die so early on in the story. You could tell how much he loved his daughter, and was a devoted husband and father. It's a shame that he had to go so soon, and I suspect that the Ii clan will miss the kind yet firm nature of his governing style. Kame seems very able yet I cannot picture him as the leader of the Ii clan just yet.

As we saw with Tsru's assassination attempt, I am concerned that the death of Towa's father will result in a period of confusion and violence within the Ii clan. People who were once very loyal will undoubtedly try to exert their influence within the clan, or get rid of testy rivals. Unfortunately, the person who seems to be stirring the pot the most is Towa's grandfather, who never liked the Ono clan and who may use this opportunity to get rid of Tsuru once and for all.

It's ironic that the man who tried to murder Tsuru is actually the father of Tsuru's late brother's wife, who has decided to stay in the Ono household and raise her son within that family, instead of returning home. As was common practice back in the day, I could even see her marrying Tsuru at some point, since he was the brother of her late husband and is not married yet. Politically speaking, it would be a good chance for Tsuru to remain within the Ii hierarchy now that the Imagawa are no more. Who knows, maybe that will happen!?

Imagawa Yoshimoto's death in battle in 1560 marked the beginning of Oda Nobunaga's climb to power, and I'm very interested in finding out how the Ii clan fares in all this. It will also be fascinating to look at how the Imagawa clan survives post-Yoshimoto, and how the Tokugawa will fare, as well. Ieyasu is starting to come into his own, and I look forward to seeing a more active role for Sadao Abe's Ieyasu. It isn't fun to just watch him playing go by himself.

Perhaps the Reverend (Towa's great-uncle) will end up playing a more fatherly role in her life now that her father is gone. At the same time, Towa may play a more active role in her family, too. With Kame succeeding as the lord at such a critical time, Towa may find herself embroiled in family strife. At least Kame and his wife are expecting now! What good news for the Ii family during an otherwise dark time.

The letter Towa's mother wrote to her was beautiful. It must have taken so much for her to write that letter during a time of personal heartbreak upon losing her husband.

Things are getting interesting! We're in 1560. Episode 10 airs tonight.
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