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Playing catch up and just finished the weekend's episodes 3 and 4.

This one is still lacking a clear focus in the story, hopefully as we approach the adult cast after 2 weeks from now, the story will get more of its bearings. Right now the focus is mostly on Yusin. It's getting more interesting now that the story is developing some.

I like that we learn more backstory on Yusin and his family and why they were ostracized, it was only lightly touched upon in Queen Seondeok, but there is a variation on the lineage in the two series.

Also in this series it looks like we're going to see the famous love story of Yusin and the astrologer that Queen Seondeok series didn't cover, the astrologer seems to be the priestess/future-teller Cheongwan.

I liked the ritual scene with Cheongwan, in terms of the visuals with the fire and the contrasting red colors in night.

Also we finally learn who that little girl following Queen Sado is, it's Seungman, the future Queen Jindeok! I thought she was just a maid attending to the Queen. LOL! No wonder she's been releasing some dark vibes and has ambitions in supporting Sado's schemes, she's the daughter of the nut, Gukban.

Onto episode 5 this Saturday.

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I was without a computer for a week so couldn't post, but it's really just as well because I don't know what to say yet about this drama. But I am having trouble keeping up with it. To me, it seems to move pretty fast, before I can get a handle on everything, especially the relationships of the various families.. Part of that may be the smaller subs and part of it may be a different vocabulary of names, titles and positions that I am not as familiar with as I really don't know a whole lot about early Silla. Plus, it seems to have a larger cast of people important to the story.
   Practically everything I've read in the posts here are things I missed while watching, so thanks, SuperRookie.
   I do enjoy seeing so many familiar faces from earlier historical dramas. I imagine those who play the roles of governmental and military leaders enjoy getting together again in these types of dramas, sort of like an old boys' club, or maybe they enjoy being on the set with Choi Su Jong, who is quite funny to be around, I read somewhere. I haven't had time to look up the cast on AsianWiki like I usually like to do, but I'm thinking the crazy Prince looks like the actor who played the assassinated South Korean "king" in King 2 Hearts.
   Unlike a lot of viewers, I have few distractions when watching (well, maybe the rabbit ears signal) and can concentrate closely on the screen, but I'm still behind in a good understanding of this drama. If it's online somewhere, I'll probably have to watch each episode a second time, starting with Ep. 1.
   Love the visuals, though. The clothes, the settings, the scenes in nature. . .all very beautiful. The young actors playing the youthful leads do a great job. And I take heart from the post above that maybe things will settle down a little once the adult version of the actors appear on screen. Although that may be a distraction as I like them both very much.
   
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It's not just you, these episodes are going fast, a little too fast. They're probably in a hurry given they only allotted a limited amount of time for this set up of the story before the major time shift.

Episode 1 especially was especially intricate with the large cast and the various royal branches, it can be a little confusing with the huge amount of characters it had to introduce and the lineage issues. It's easier to follow for me since several of us have been watching Queen Seondeok recently, that kind of helps place all these various characters more readily. I expect this series should settle down as we go along once the initial storyline is in place.



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Saturday Night's episode 5

The story is starting to slowly develop now and it's slowly getting more interesting.

I'm enjoying the aspects we're seeing here of Yusin, his development, Hwarang moments in his youth, and friendship with Chunchu that wasn't as much presented in other series that I've seen. It's a nice, different angle to this characterization.

We're starting to see two camps emerge, the royal/nobles who want to work with the Sui Dynasty (Prior to Tang) and the lower classes who prioritize the lineage vs foreign influence... the stage is being set for the heart of this story later on.

The last portions of the episode were exciting with the ornate production of the feast and the chaos that ensued from Gildal and his assassins attacking. Looks like Queen Sado picked a wrong underling who has now switched sides for Baekje.

We're near the tail end of these young characters before we soon transition into the real cast. The preview to tonight's episode 6 looks like it's going to have a lot of progression. Looking forward to it.

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I started watching the series by "accident" last week as I was flipping channels. I believe it was chapter 3. Not knowing anything about Korean history, I am not aware of the historical accuracy of the series, but I was interested after watching it for a few minutes, and I intend to follow the series as long as I can.

I'm not sure if it's because I don't understand the Korean language, but I did not notice the younger actors and actresses not acting well, so I believe their words and their emotions on screen.

They have a way to make the antagonists really unlikeable. Gukban for example. He seems like the guy that you love to hate, but he seems to be making a bit of sense in chapter 5 in his drunken state when he complemented Chunchu about having more courage than the elders who are being pushed around by an old woman, Queen Sado. And in episode 6, when Kim Yusin's grandfather blames Bihyeong, the leader of Gwimun, for the invasion by the Bakje, Gukban even says to Chunchu and Chunchu's father that it was not Biheyong and that he was being framed. But, Gukban is still remains a character that you can't help but want to punch him.

I am looking forward to watching new episodes every weekend. I apologize that butchered the spellings of characters. I still even remember all of the characters' names.

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Welcome to the forums pilotpen01. We're glad to have you join us and jump in on the discussion! I took care of your second post per your request.


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Episode 6

While there are several themes starting to slowly emerge, the main thrust of the story and progression still feels a little unsure - sometimes it almost feels like watching a series of vignettes from one scene to another.

One of the bigger events in this episode were the scenes leading up to and with Chunchu's grand dream of the Three Kingdoms unification becoming uttered. I liked the scene where he took Yusin to the hill-top monument to tell him of his vision.

Yusin and Cheongwan's scene of their expressions of love was sweet, in a way, but there's something about these moments and these young performers scenes that feel a little too buoyant for me.

The preview to episode 7 looks like it may be a good one as we approach the final moments of this prologue. There was a tease of it showing the real cast, I hope that's true and we switch to the main cast this weekend, but we'll see.

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We do switch, but how are you 2 ahead when we are seeing the same scenes? I am watching on KBS World
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Pali, sorry I'm not following about us being ahead. I'm watching on KBS World also but on cable, not sure if it is the same feed as what you're getting on satellite. I was under the assumption it was the same per your comments on other KBS shows. Is KBSW on satellite behind for this series?

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Oh geez, just as if things couldn't go more wrong with Choi Su Jong's car accident still affecting him... he has fallen off a horse and the use of his arm is limited, is on painkillers and unable to even hold a sword at this point.

Now, a car accident has hit one of the main cast again, this time Park Joo Mi who plays the older Queen Deokman/Seondeok after the time shift past the young portions. After filming for the day/night, her crew's vehicle crashed into a truck on their way to another location shot. Injuries thankfully given how bad the car was wrecked aren't too bad (no threatening injuries), considering what happened, however Park Joo Mi had to be taken to Seoul for further tests, it's unsure if or when she'll be able to resume filming.

Can these K-Drama productions get their acts together? Generalizing, I blame the South Korean companies and viewers involved on an industry-wide level - everyone's too concerned about cutting corners with productions given the fast paced nature of the production, not to mention overly-catering and pandering to the rabid viewers with the type of medium of not being pre-produced so they can adapt to viewer desires/ratings and make changes as the series goes on. If only these dramas would depart from the almost live system in place and switch to a slower, longer term pre-produced series... but most viewers wouldn't like that, and their word is law... tragic. How many accidents are going to happen before the companies and the SK viewers start to recognize the pressures they are putting on this flawed system (in terms of safety, not to mention artistic value and quality)?

They haven't finished producing/filming this weekend's episodes in SK still, that's how close productions cut it...

Managers also need to stop being drivers as well, given all the stress and goings on at filming, and the filming ending late at nights sometimes... their senses probably aren't always the sharpest driving around in unfamiliar areas due to the various location shots in these late hours after a long day's work.

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How did car crash happen? It seems so random.

Anyway, there a few things that I'm not too clear on. Again, please forgive my spelling.

1) The current king, Jipeyoung, how come he does not have sengonal status for him remain king but his brother, Gukban does? Because they are siblings, shouldn't both have the right to the throne?

2) How did Queen Sado oust the previous king, the ancestor of Kim Chunchu?

3) Queen Sado is convinced that the marriage between Gukban and Princess Deokman will unify the people, but why does she think this? Gukban does not show qualities of leading the people, so wouldn't that mean the people will reject him?
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Super Rookie,

I think that netizens are in charge now. they are all without real power but they live in their minds as if they are back in old Joseon and they have noble families, and can order people around. They have such influence on the internet that they can make or destroy actors with bad rumors, so if they want a drama to go their way they bring out such tricks, and the directors and producers fall for it. that's why things are rushed and that's why accidents happen. Someone will die one of these night drives to other locations.

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Peg, share your view on many of those issue. I wish this system in place would slow down to slower, longer productions so that the influence can be more moderated, but given the money involved and the continuing growth of dramas as an export, they might sadly be of the mentality, why fix what's not broken. It might take something catastrophic before they address these problems.

Good to see you drop by, pilotpen01. Please don't worry about spelling or anything, we're a pretty easy going group here.

The crash happened on the highway near midnight as they were transporting the actress to another filming location. The same thing happened to the star of this series, Choi Su Jong, last month, while transporting to another set. It's a complex and multi-issued problem, there's an increasing problem with accidents in general, but especially so with Actors/Actresses who have to travel a lot at late hours and their drivers (their managers) may be too tired to drive, but must. I hope they start slowing down the short production cycle, and start hiring full-time drivers who aren't working all day and have to drive all night as well.

On your questions:

1) Sado isn't making Gukban king right now, she's only putting in place a crown prince for succession status, in case something happens to Jinpyeong - crown prince status is usually something they try to set in place long in advance so that there isn't chaos and internal fighting for the crown should something happen unexpectedly. But this is a more pressing issue since Jinpyeong doesn't have a son of high enough rank to succeed him.

2) Kings in those periods didn't have complete power, especially with Queen Sado who was the elder of the family, clan leader and had control over the nobles/politicians. He was dethroned. Since we're still early in the series, this might be explained in a future episode once the story starts to get moving on Chunchu as he rises to future King.

3) She thinks this since it would uphold their royal blood status - the caste system which is a system that dictated life to the most basic terms (even how large or small one's home may be) - which Chunchu's branch lost with the dethronement. Sort of their way of genetic engineering. If she didn't uphold its importance, at least to their view, then the peasants would have no reason to allow these nobles or rulers to lead them - just like in other parts of the world, Kings were thought to be descendants from divine origins, that gave them the excuse, reason/power to rule over.

Each series has had different interpretations of these various events and circumstances though given they don't completely follow historical accounts (for entertainment or limited historical sources) . It's going to be interesting to see how this history/fiction is presented as we go along since up to the episode we're at, the story has kind of been somewhat vague about the succession part of the story.

Looking forward to tonight's episode 7.

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Saturday night's Episode 7 had some interesting forward progression - much of this series still centers around Yusin with his rising through the ranks as well as his romantic excursions. Quite a carrot dangled in front of Yusin by his Grandfather (Sangdaedeung), if he betrays his promise with Chunchu in stopping the Royal Wedding between Gukban and Deokman, then his future is assured with the support of the Queen Regent/Dowager, his grandfather and that would restore the divide in the family with Yusin's father allowed back to the capital? Temptation looks to be strong given the preview. Another moment of decision with Yusin is he is also given an ultimatum by his mother - her or Cheongwan.

Chunchu is also developing some, it looks like he's becoming more of an idealist (against the current establishment) and the potential visionary of the series. Both he and Yusin seem to have strong leadership qualities of very different kinds.

The preview for tonight's episode 8 looked like it'll have the big turning point that I've been highly anticipating, the time shift towards the real cast either at the end of the episode or to get us ready for next week's episode 9. Looking forward now that we're getting to the real meat of this series with the main cast.

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Sunday night's Episode 8:

This was one of the stronger and more substantive episodes of this prologue phase with it being the ending of this portion of the youth segment. I actually thought they handled it rather well with the conflicts born from the misunderstandings, compromise vs idealism, then on the other aspects with the romance and death of Cheongwan and Gildal (I hope he really stays dead this time). Now perhaps we can start to transition to more compelling aspects with the fantasy-type characters starting to drop.

I liked the scenes between Yusin and Chunchu near the end, when Chunchu remained adamant about his idealism (given what has happened to the family), even his childish outburst earlier in the episode with his father having to hit him as a wake up call, brought to attention how much younger Chunchu really is compared to Yusin - I found Chunchu's childish nature as he was burning his books totally believable when he gave up on the world he had envisioned, his friendship, his scholarly ways, of everything - he was still a kid, there was something likable about that moment because of those internal flaws that came to the surface. Another scene I liked was the one between Queen Sado and BiHyung where she was beginning to face her mortality, and the future that may hold without her.

The scenes in this episode with the procession was incredibly beautiful, this series continues to be one of the best looking KBS Historical dramas of recent years with the popping color, great cinematography, splendid location and indoor shots and captivating lighting, especially for a longer form drama series. The final portions of the episode atop the hill on the monument were really well done with the time lapse effects with the time forward of 10 years to the adult cast. Very picturesque moment. But most of all, I'm thrilled to see at the end of the episode, Choi Su Jong (adult Chunchu) and Kim Yu Seok (adult Yusin). emoticon

I'm hoping now that we're moving to the adult characters on the next episode, the story will move beyond some of its formless nature as well as start to get more meaningful. Can't wait for this Saturday's episode 9, and so it really begins.

For those who can't get enough and want to rewatch the preview for this upcoming episode 9, here's the KBS World preview video:



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When last week's episode ended and just before we saw the grown-up Chunchu and Yusin, they were older teens, maybe 16 or 17 for Chunchu, who was a little less mature, and 18 or 19, if that, for Yusin. Tonight's episode was 10 years later, making them to be around 27 and 29. When we first saw them as adults, riding their horses, these two men could easily pass for that age, although Yusin looked a little bit older, maybe 30-ish.
   I understand that make-up, lighting, shadowing, etc. can work wonders for actors. But one still has to hand it to these two men, just a few years apart in real life, at ages of 50 next month (Chunchu) and 46 in January (Yusin) for their excellent conditioning. Chunchu (Choi Su Jong) looks like he lost quite a bit of weight for this role, But they both show great strength in the strenuous scenes, and I find them quite believable.
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Kittypaws.. The actor's lack of aging is usually accomplished by certain type of lenses or the use of gauze or geletin over the lens. As I watched yesterday, it occourred to me that this was being done because of the softness of the features and the smoothness of the skin of the older actors including the two male leads.
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Park Joo Mi's injuries are more serious than initially came out after the accident, she won't be able to film for several weeks in order to rest. There have been rumors swirling that her part may be rewritten temporarily to delay it, or recast the role, but right now it looks like they might delay the drama for two or three weeks to wait for her to recover.

I'm glad they won't recast the role, given I find Park Joo Mi an excellent actress for this role, but also a change would negatively impact this series when it's already struggling in the ratings department, and the situation is looking rather gloomy given the high expectations and budget thrown at this series - Doing better than most historicals this year, but nowhere near expectations and still under Gwanggaeto's.

We'll have to wait and see what will happen and if this might effect our schedule down the line with potential interruptions.

More later after I catch up on the weekend's episodes, haven't had time to watch them yet.

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I have such mixed feelings about this drama. It is conflicting with QSD in a major way for me.

I am still watching QSD twice a week, and the roles are played by different people and seem to be different in character. also their individual backgrounds are quite different., It is confusing to keep them apart for each drama. It seems odd to think that ChunChu had a wife and child before he ever came to the court in Silla.

Also I must say that I do not care for the choice of actor who plays ChunChu in Kings Dream. He looks strange with that long hair which I presume is supposed to make him look younger. It does the opposite. I do not think he is young enough to play that role anyway. I simply cannot get used to this Kings Dream drama at all.
Did Princess Deokman really marry her uncle? Strange. Not too surprising as she cetainly had many husbands. But Her uncle ??
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Just finished the Saturday episode 9 from two days ago, still catching up.

Peg, I'm not too thrilled about Choi Su Jong playing this young version either. One thing to keep in mind though, the age of ChunChu in QSD was off by a decade and he should have been much closer to Yusin's age, like it's being presented in Dream of the Emperor. But in DotE the age gap of Choi Su Jong playing this younger version of CC is still big. But the good thing is, hopefully this will only be a short transition period before the real adult version - well I'm hoping anyway. The same problems I had in QSD with LYW and UTW playing teen characters are happening here too. Then again, CSJ played a younger version in Dae Jo Young too, but he definitely looked more fitting in that character. These are such difficult issues though, no? Either they have these older performers play these roles so the viewers can get used to them, or they get stuck with the problem like in QSD or Moon Embracing the Sun where many viewers didn't like the older cast as much once they got used to the younger cast. Tough call sometimes...

Flaws and all though, like Kittypaws, I'm so happy to see Choi Su Jong again. I just hope we get to the real adult phase sooner. LOL!

I have mixed feelings about the series so far as well, but I think most of the problems are due to the writing given they don't really know where to take this series yet. What they had planned, they had to change and shorten (the youth phase of the story was supposed to go on longer), but they had to bend due to ratings pressure to speed things up along. The result is the series in the early going is rushed and muddled.

I'm not surprised this and QSD are very different, since QSD was mostly fiction and very loose in its writing... can't really copy that given what that did, so Dream of the Emperor was bound to come off very different. Which isn't to say DotE is completely accurate either - such as Deokman being wed to the Uncle is fiction (likely to establish how important the seonggol status is), thankfully it's a small story point with the Uncle passing relatively quick and the story moving forward beyond him already. I can understand where the confusion can come from with viewers though for example Alcheon should have been an old man in real life - but in QSD, he was made into a teen, here in DotE he's presented as the older man he should have been - it's kind of hard to bridge that visual gap where something like this is going on for a lot of the various characters.

For me, I find it interesting to see these different takes and viewpoints and characterizations of what was going on. Some of the weaknesses of QSD, I find is being made up here, and the weaknesses here is being covered in QSD, feels like the best of both worlds to see this world being covered in different angles, at least for me. LOL!

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