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Re: K-Drama: 광개토대왕 (廣開土太王) (Gwanggaeto, The Great Conqueror)


Damdeok had me at the first growl emoticon . I think this is going to be my favourite Kdrama of all time.
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The last two episodes have lost my attention. There is much too much over emoting and unrealistic characterizations. Of most of the historical dramas, this is becoming my least favorite because of some of the absurdities of Sunday's show in particular.

I started watching Korean shows because of the historical dramas, but lately
the quality has not stood up to the past shows. Since going back to the Japanese Shogun series on Saturday, the differences in quality really stand
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Pali, I'm not quite sure about that. In the years I've watched historical warrior K-Dramas, (vs period historicals that are more subdued and subtle that tend to target female audiences Yi San, Jewel in the Palace, etc.) it has been always over the top and one that tries to attract more of a male audience - males tend to like bombastic and in your face visceral action and drama. This one does seem more than the norm though, but I don't see it significantly more so.

I do agree the dramas in general aren't as good as in the past. My personal favorite ones are ones from the 2003/4 to 2007 era - in terms of the longer historical dramas, I still haven't found any to rival Emperor of the Sea in terms of the quality production, writing, and music - after that one, a lot of the long form historicals seem to have limited production values (despite higher budgets).

Still I like the variety that's been on offer as of late with the dramas, there's something for everyone's different tastes.

On Gwanggaeto, I've been around 5-6 episodes behind and finally caught up with a marathon on my DVR over the weekend. While I found the series getting a bit stale after the exciting first few episodes, my interest has been rekindled with the, while common, still fun storyline of the whole brothers dispute over the crown prince title (though the dispute in this case is one sided). What I particularly enjoyed was seeing TaeWoo (Damdeok's brother) change out of jealousy, but just when the viewers think he's gone off the deep end, the very interesting scene last saturday night between him and his attendant made it seem like Damdeok's brother was keenly aware of his own failings and why Damdeok is destined by fate to rule - he talked about Damdeok's greater experiences and perhaps his own trials and tribulations with the brother in this current crown prince rivalry will be another stepping stone for Damdeok's future.

After that twist though, Sunday night's episode continues with the idea that Damdeok's brother will sacrifice himself for Damdeok, however it then ends with Damdeok's brother shooting an arrow at him as if to suggest the opposite was true all along... These writers like to toy with us viewers. LOL!

One of my favorite scenes lately was the scene where both not princes, but brothers as they rode on horses through hills and pastures, reigniting their past ties as brothers. TaeWoo also recounted an old experience where Damdeok saved him in the wilderness.

In recent episodes, Oh Ji Eun (of Smile Donghae fame) finally appears, as the Prime Minister's daughter! Been wondering when she'd show up... I found her to be very pretty and cute looking dressed up in costume and long hair. emoticon

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SuperRookie Not too many people seem to be watching this program. I am add to than group after this weekend's shows.

The King finally showed up tonight. It seemed as if the Crown Prince was running the country. The actor portraying the Crown Prince sneers too much and is constantly shouting. This is to me means that he is not a very accomplished actor, or he thinks this is how a future king should behave.

I hated it when Bonji showed up in the part of his future wife? I have now seen her in 3 programs and cannot stand her posing as an actress. The other young women in the show are much more appealing in looks and attitude.

I know the Crown Prince in history was a great warrior and leader, but I think there has been much stretching of historical facts.
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Longer historical warrior dramas aren't the usual demographic core of this forum, they rarely get a lot of posts like the contemporary dailies/series do - there are exceptions like Jumong which was a mainstream hit around the world, and indeed in the US/this forum. Years back, most historical/warrior drama posts were from the AZN crowd/historical K-Drama club of this forum mostly came from new viewers across the country that had access to AZN or cable. The historical series that tend to get more posts tend to be the more women-centric period dramas.

How many people here, SoCal, KBS America viewers are watching this show? I don't know. Based on the amount of posts thus far, it's about the same as the previous drama, King of Legend/Geunchogo. In Korea though, the ratings of this one are much higher than King of Legend.

I thought the same thing as you did about the King of this series. I was laughing at several scenes that show weak he is and confused - he appears at times, might be one of the weakest character King we've seen in a Warrior Historical in a while. It's clear they are showing this on purpose as a country where this King has little power and the Prime Minister is running the show most of the time.

As for Lee Tae Gon's portrayal of this character, to each their own - I find his performance here possibly the most believable and charismatic protagonist in a long form warrior drama since Choi Soo Jong (Emperor of the Sea, Dae Jo Young) and Song Il Gook (EOTS, Jumong).

I don't know if it was LTG's decision or not as an actor for the sneering. I actually agree with you that he does this way too much in this series. Having worked with and having many acquaintances in media production, I can say there's a saying in the industry, it's what the producer or director "called" for - this relates to much of acting, to aesthetics to music and media where often production staffers or actors who are below the PD or Director get blamed for things out of their control.

I have never seen Lee Tae Gon in another series before so this is my first experience watching him, the over-the-top performance and sneering aside, I personally find his acting excellent in this role considering the context of the character. Last weekend's episode where Prince Dammang passed, LTG's acting as Damdeok was one of the high points of this series in terms of the grief he exerted onto the screen. I find his over the top performance perfectly suited for this warrior role. Remember in this series Damdeok's character is younger and has a lot to learn in the ways of growing into the role of Crown Prince/King and was brought up amongst the warriors. He was not groomed to be King or have the rules of etiquette like Dammang did. A few episodes ago before Dammang sacrificed himself, he realized how Damdeok's nature and upbringing as one closer to the people (able to sleep outside, or in a barn, amongst the peasants) was something he had no experience in or couldn't do. Due to this, he felt Damdeok would be able to relate better to the commoners in a way that he living in the glass cage of the Palace could never do. I think these elements are expressed in the character/actor of Damdeok.


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One aspect of K-drama that has changed is the sheer number of what is now available. Personally, I feel that the Korean Wave bell curve of 'market life' has reached its high point and is in its mature (declining) stage. That, combined with the saturation of too many dramas to choose from during all hours of the day (and night), the historicals get the short end of the stick particularly with the majority of women viewers, as you mentioned, SuperRookie.

I have wanted to watch this particular historical, but it conflicts with programming I find even more interesting. With the digital TV transmission changes, I no longer have the ability to record one station and watch a different station. That, in itself, has greatly reduced the variety of programs I now follow. Since I have watched only bits and pieces of Gwanggaeto, I do not feel confident in commenting in this thread and have refrained.

I'm sure there are a lot of viewers who are enjoying this drama. The majority, however, never participate in the board discussion, making it impossible to have an accurate view of how the drama fares among it's viewing audience.

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Well I am trying to watch this drama. I wanted to see how Lee Tae Gon would appear in historical stuff. So far I am mostly disappointed with the overacting all the time. also I really did not like his unkempt and grubby appearance. Now at least he has cleaned up and looks a little more like a Prince. I am sure he is following the director's demands in most of the scenes. All the actors in these Korean sagas have to do the sneering bit ad infinitum.

As of now I am not impressed with the way this drama is going but I am hoping for better episodes as we go along.

I watch historicals from Korea and from Japan. Must say that Japan does them better. I guess you could say the battle scenes in Japanese dramas are more choreographed and I do like the longshots showing the battle 'plans'.
However the battles scenes in Korean drama are far more vicious and bloody and you can believe people were getting killed, but the melee is very hard to sort out at times. I wonder how they refrained from hitting their own men in the mix-up of the fighting. Very primitive warfare.
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Peg I agree about the battle differences. Personally I like both for different reasons. As a male, I appreciate the action-packed and bombastic, sometimes violent nature of the ones offered in K-Drama warrior dramas. J-Dramas in that regard tend to be more tactical.

I think it has a lot to do with the time frame too though. Often the K-Drama Warrior dramas are like 1000+ years before the more sophisticated battle era. Even when chinese or japanese media portray China's Age of Three Kingdoms in a similar time frame of these K-Dramas in lower budget media form (TV, videogames, etc), the battles and melee are very much portrayed in a similar more primitive manner as what I see in these K-Drama warrior dramas. In that sense I believe this is consistent.

Another aspect that I think seems to hinder K-Dramas a lot is budget or at least the way the budget is allocated and the way this affects perception. With these K-Drama historical warrior series spanned over so many episodes, budgets tend to limit what they are able to do - for example the indoor scenes (in both historical and contemporary dailies) look at times like daytime soaps from the 80s! emoticon

K-Dramas are doing a better job in more cases than not compared to the past in how they display large scale battles, but we're unfortunately nowhere near film level. The film Hero even though many years before the Age of Three Kingdoms is far more sophisticated in the way it was portrayed in terms of the military and royalty than I've seen of chinese period historicals much later on. Money and the talent to use that budget seems to do wonders. LOL!

My dream is one day these longer K-Dramas will have the same level of cinematography and quality of what I've seen in Chuno or Hwang Jini... I'm not holding my breath, but I want to hope and dream... emoticon

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Hi, I'm new to this board, and also new to Korean drama. This is my first historical drama. In the past I've stayed away from historical due to the bloody battles. This drama captured my interest because of the story about the Great Conqueror of Korea, and because Oh Ji Eun stars in it. I figured I need to have a familiar face to follow in a possibly complex story line. Having seen two of her previous dramas, I'm impress with how she transformed herself from an overemotional, complex thirty something to a fun, bubbly twenty something. Her last role was minimized because evil rules in that drama. She captured both the flaws and endearing characters of two very opposite personalities. I was hoping to be somewhat educated about Korean history in this time frame. However, it seems that majority of people (other boards) dismiss all historical aspects of this drama and are very critical of Lee Tae Gon down to his armor. Perhaps I am too new and have nothing to compare to, I'm enjoying this drama so far. To me he really come alive in this role compared to his role in Assorted Gems. In AG his character and acting were less than inspiring. To my surprise I like most of the cast which is very unusual. I plan to stay tuned to this drama. One complaint though, the girls get minimal airtime, is this aspect typical of historical Korean drama?
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Welcome to the forums MKana. Please feel free to post your thoughts, ask questions, and/or participate anytime!

I share your complaint on that front, I'd like to see more screen time of Oh Ji Eun and the other females; like Damdeok's cousin - Yak Yeon. emoticon To answer your question, it really depends from Historical drama to another and whether it 's more of a period drama or a historical drama (the time frames before the year 1000 tend to be more warrior dramas while those in the year 1000s, Joseon period, tend to be more period and women-centric). In this case, so far, yes, unfortunately it's still minimal. With Oh Ji Eun's character only recently surfacing and her role starting to develop in relation to Damdeok and the Prime Minister's feud, hopefully there will be more development to her character.

In the previous K-Drama on this KBS time slot, The King of Legends, I found the women having a some more importance and screen time.

The series Jumong and Emperor of the Sea, for warrior dramas had a great female lead and one that was central to the storyline. There are other historical period dramas that have females as more of a focus of the story as well.


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