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nchristi
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Re: Advance Summaries
(Discussion brought forward from Yi San drama discussion thread....)
Advance Summaries...
There are several different issues being discussed here. One is the spoiler "benchmark" or set-point; another is the general overview of spoiler usage; and yet a third is K-drama that is not e-subbed.
Spoiler Benchmark class ul The CJKDramas spoiler benchmark is the SoCal drama schedule provided by KXLA and LA-18 (KSCI). It has not changed, nor will it change, until those who administer this forum choose to make a different decision. If those in charge of CJKDramas change the standard, I will gladly go with whatever they decide to implement. Overview of Spoiler Usage class ul Other forums encourage spoilers and discussion of them. CJKDramas is a forum that has not encouraged spoilers. Spoilers are the exception, not the rule. There has never been (to my knowledge) a posting of spoilers and then a continuing discussion of those spoilers under cover of spoiler protection.
My main focus as a moderator of the K-Forum is to encourage discussion and to keep it within uniform, established general boundaries across all threads. For that to remain orderly and to avoid confusion, the Board has a set spoiler benchmark. Regardless of which source we might officially designate to be that "spoiler benchmark," it will not please everyone, not is it possible to implement all options that have been mentioned or suggested. Unsubbed K-Dramas class ul This, indeed, is worthy of a different standard. It is entirely appropriate—and a service to fellow members—to provide advance translations and summaries if none are available elsewhere (and/or for those members who might not have convenient computer access).
However, CJK follows the official SoCal Schedule. It is appropriate for advance summaries to be spoiler protected and posted shortly before the episode airs on LA-18 (KSCI). For those who wish to see spoilers far in advance—or the ending first—there are other sources where this desire may be satisfied.
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
nchristi,
thanks for this. It is the most clearheaded statement about this subject.
Thank you so much.
Peg
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3/14/2008, 12:32 pm
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
Thank you nchristi for your response on spoilers…As I recall, the Chinese drama “New Shanghai Bund” was another drama without the e-subs. However, our moderator was kind enough to provide us with the summaries in advance and we were all very thankful for that .Because without it, we couldn’t have enjoyed that drama as much…
I find the discussion on the new drama thread “Robbers” very interesting and encouraging. It shows that we are moving towards the Internet streaming video format route…. It’s exciting to know that we have so many more dramas available to us at our fingertips…. I applaud you for your effort to help us in so many ways.
Btw….How come our runboard clock is still the old clock time?—Is this controlled by computer programs? If so, then the algorithm needs to be corrected. Thanks.
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
Unfortunately, the way Runboard works, each board has to be manually switched in and out of Daylight Saving Time. Twice each year, creidesca and I forget to do this. 
Regarding spoiler standards, as nchristi wrote, the various drama discussion boards have different standards. Some are anything-goes. Some allow no spoiler discussion at all. We allow limited, controlled spoiler discussion and provide buttons to help with that. And I think this policy has been very successful, resulting in a board where members feel safe to read our many intelligent, thoughtful discussions without fear that they might have a critical plot point from an as-yet unwatched episode suddenly revealed to them.
If enough members want it, we could discuss opening an additional forum with a different spoiler baseline. I'm always open to member (and moderator) feedback on how to make this board better while preserving its character. But there would need to be a lot of thoughtful consideration of the pros and cons. (And, to let everyone know, this is a topic the moderators have indeed discussed and thought about.)
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3/27/2008, 2:01 am
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PeggyME
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
For curiosity I read through this thread. I ended up quite confused.
Personally I am one of those people who used to read the penultimate page of the book. When still in school I always read every book before the term began and then read it again with the class on a weekly basis. It is something I now do with dramas. I don't mind knowing what is going to happen even if I try to block off the eventual ending.
We talk about plots and characters and in the case of Gwangaetto we have gone far afield in our research about the life and times of the people living in that era. It seems to work and provides a most interesting side branch to watching the actual drama. Same thing with the Japanese Kiyomori.
Don't know what the final consensus was on this question.
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nchristi
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
To what question are you referring?
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3/14/2012, 7:29 pm
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
Not referring to any special question. It was just a general overview of how people watch dramas. some do not like to know anything ahead at all. I dont mind knowing the story or even how an episode will go. I refer all the time to the recaps that you give so well and sometimes I have not had the chance to see the drama but will be watching it later on. everyone has their own way of reading a book and watching a drama but I find it interesting to know as much as possible and I like the discussions no matter when I will see the actual episode.
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
I think there's been some questions/discussions on what constitutes a spoiler in historical dramas, since the dramas contain historical events that have taken place and can be referred to in various articles online, like on Wikipedia. However, for our board, the spoiler benchmark for discussing events on historical dramas is still the SoCal broadcast—in the case of the Japanese Taiga dramas, the benchmark is the Saturday 9:00p airing of the Taiga on UTB.
I liked your example of the book, Peggy-san. Some readers prefer reading the last page of a book just as they are starting to read the book. Other readers like to find things out one page at a time, without peeping ahead. In order to keep the discussion open to everyone, we take the latter approach to keep things interesting for both "readers."
Outside research and reading on on the historical dramas and their characters are interesting, indeed. In fact, we encourage and love discussion on these outside facts—such as if the drama covers certain historical facts differently, or if there's something interesting about a character that wasn't covered in the drama. However, as we've been doing, we discuss these 'historical facts' in conjunction with each episode that airs on UTB. If events that happened later in history (relating to the drama or characters) are discussed, it can spoil the drama—since some viewers watch this as a drama and may not be familiar with the history.
For the Taiga dramas, I usually make a post at the end of the drama entitled "What Happened to..?" where I post a short summary of what happened to all our characters after the conclusion of the drama. Since the drama has concluded by that point on UTB 18.2, everyone can then posts their thoughts on the entire history, since it will no longer be a spoiler.
But again, outside reading and discussion of what "really" happened in history is encouraged—as long as it doesn't discuss events that we haven't yet seen in the drama. This way, we keep the discussion open and fair to everyone.
I hope that this helps! 
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
Yes Greg san, we have discussed this before and I quite agree that everyone has their own way to read or watch.
Actually I can no longer enjoy reading because of vision being gone at close quarters. I can control the size of things on the internet and I can watch at the proper distance on TV as well.
Kiyomori is a very barsh picture at the moment but it is an interesting part of Jpanese history so we have lots to search for if possible. :-)
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Re: Can CJKDramas.com be "Upgraded" to a Different Discussion Baseline?
Yes, Kiyomori is a much earlier period in Japanese history, so accurate sources of what happened can be rather difficult to find. I'm looking forward to tonight's episode. Anyway, let's continue this discussion on the Kiyomori thread!
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