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The following question was posed in one of the K-drama topics. Please feel free to share your ideas or opinions on this subject. class blockquote pandapop wrote:

There are so many different sources of viewing k-dramas nowadays (i.e. cable, mysoju.com….). It’s like everybody has upgraded to cell phones, and we are still on rotary dialers….It’s harder for everybody to comment on the same episode…

I’m wondering whether the board should consider an upgraded standards??? I would love to see some discussions on this………
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Here is my initial comment on this question.

Pandapop, you have put your finger on something that I've been keeping my eye on for a while now. Can there be a unified discussion when there are so many sources all on different schedules? Something probably will have to change one of these days, but I'll leave that to the powers that be. After all, is there one source everyone watches at the same time/schedule? Which one would you pick to be the standard baseline?

Since everybody watches mysoju.com or Veoh (or other sources) at the pace they personally desire, is there a way to have a unified discussion? It usually doesn't work to have already finished watching a drama on our own, or be way ahead of where the discussion is on this board. Maybe this type forum is a "rotary phone" that will simply not work much longer in an upgraded system?

There has to be a discussion/spoiler baseline of some sort. Do we have more members viewing KXLA and LA-18 than watching one of the several KBS America cable offerings (all on differing schedules depending on the cable/satellite carrier), AZN, Time Warner, etc.?

Personally, I pretty much follow the schedule that Creidesca has chosen as our drama baseline and keep myself on this episode schedule even though I am sorely tempted sometimes to view future episodes.

At any rate, these are my current thoughts.

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Thanks for openning the discussion, nchristi

Just want to add a few words about the viewing k-dramas options…….

Suppose 10 of us are watching and commenting on a drama….8 of us are watching on mysoju.com—which is the uncut, good e-subs version. And only 2 of us are watching on ch-44…Then, should we still post comments based on the 2 minority posters of the board?????

Even though I’m still watching ch-44, I believe I’m in the minority. I think it’s better for everyone to watch the “best and most complete” version available to us….Just a thought……


<edit>: one more thing....
Another example is the drama "YiSan"...We are suffering from NO-ESUBS Disease on CH-18. Some one was kind enough to give us a medicine to watch an e-subs version on another source.....Then, why should we stay on the sick version still????


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I know this thread relates mainly to K-Dramas, (Last one I watched was P.I.H... there's been a few since then, hasn't there? emoticon )

Anyways, since then I've only been watching the "local" Japanese programing (what little there is on LA18 & KXLA 44) And like nchristi, I pretty much follow Creidesca's Southern California schedule.

For me, I guess I've always been going by the "on air" icon, and try to stay on that weeks episode, using the "spoiler warning" if necessary. Once the "on air" icon is turned off, the topic is open to full discussion.

I'm also tempted to download episodes/shows from online sites, but have to restrain myself... I already spend way too much time in front of the TV. emoticon

I'll try to keep updating the front pages for the new J-Dramas when they are announced... it kind of like a hobby for me now. emoticon

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I just watch the current dramas on the two channels we have here in LA and Orange county. I quite often go to a place which someone will mention as having subs but I don't let it interfere with my nightime TV watching. I would like us to be able to stay with the Southern Cal. itinerary
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Maybe a separate thread for .'Other Sources' could be started. then we would not have to head the thread with a drama name but if we want to go there for extra info. it would be available.

My two cents if it makes any 'sense' Peg
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class blockquote pandapop wrote:

Just want to add a few words about the viewing k-dramas options…….

Suppose 10 of us are watching and commenting on a drama….8 of us are watching on mysoju.com—which is the uncut, good e-subs version. And only 2 of us are watching on ch-44…Then, should we still post comments based on the 2 minority posters of the board?????

[Why would the majority comments be in conflict with those of the two minority posters on the board? Aren't you watching the same thing? Deleted scenes are not considered spoilers.]

Even though I’m still watching ch-44, I believe I’m in the minority. I think it’s better for everyone to watch the “best and most complete” version available to us….Just a thought……

<edit>: one more thing....
Another example is the drama "YiSan"...We are suffering from NO-ESUBS Disease on CH-18. Some one was kind enough to give us a medicine to watch an e-subs version on another source.....Then, why should we stay on the sick version still????
On the surface, your reasoning sounds inviting. However, I'm wondering if your issue is the editing and lack of e-subs, or simply not liking the 2-3 month delay and two-episodes per week schedule on KXLA and LA-18? Since there are unedited sources with e-subs currently available, then right now anyone who wishes can turn off KXLA and LA-18 and watch the episodes elsewhere. Is it that difficult to then come to the board and discuss the same episodes on the KXLA/LA-18 viewing schedule?

As for YiSan, what does it mean to be "stuck on the sick version"? If you have another source to watch it e-subbed, then why can't you simply watch it there and discuss it on the board at the present pace? What is problematic with that, unless your objection is really that you want the dramas discussed as soon as they air on KBS World?

Additionally, the logistics of implementing what you are suggesting may not be all that simple. class ul class li How are you going to decide which drama to watch and when? class li How will it be decided how many episodes to watch per week? class li How will you determine whether more members want to discuss a mysoju.com drama and fewer people are watching KXLA/LA-18? class li Is not the K-drama Video Club essentially already doing this? class li Is the Video Club model the one you would like implemented for all K-dramas?
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Nchristi:You have brought out many great questions…..I have not thought this through carefully yet. But with each discussion, I hope the issue will become more clearly…. class blockquote Since there are unedited sources with e-subs currently available, then right now anyone who wishes can turn off KXLA and LA-18 and watch the episodes elsewhere. Is it that difficult to then come to the board and discuss the same episodes on the KXLA/LA-18 viewing scheduleThis is a problem I think. Please correct me if I am wrong.. Take the drama “Daughters-in-law” for example. A is watching this show on ch-44. And B is watching it on mysoju.com which is uncut…. B did not watch it again on KXLA but posted comments on the proper date. But when A reads B’s comments ,A says to herself /himself “What is B talking about? I don’t remember such and such scenes…..” …Unless B watches both versions, B will not know what is deleted and what is not…I think this already happened a few days ago….

Yes, I do believe uncut version and good e-subs are most important for me. I don’t mind watching a drama on a delayed basis. 2-3 months of delay is not important to me… But asking members to watch everything twice in order to comment properly seems a little much….

I’m not sure what is a good way to accommodate everybody. The video club format is certainly a good option. We might even gain more members going that way. If I need to upgrade my computer, I’ll be happy to do it as long as I know what is the necessary requirements….

Just thinking out loud here.....nothing more!!! emoticon


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Don't worry, Pandapop. Both of us are just thinking out loud. This is a sharing of ideas, nothing more. class blockquote This is a problem I think. ... Take the drama “Daughters-in-law” for example. A is watching this show on ch-44. And B is watching it on mysoju.com which is uncut…. B did not watch it again on KXLA but posted comments on the proper date. But when A reads B’s comments ,A says to herself /himself “What is B talking about? I don’t remember such and such scenes…..” …Unless B watches both versions, B will not know what is deleted and what is not…I think this already happened a few days ago…. I understand your point here. However, why does "B" (the mysoju.com viewer) have to know what was deleted on KXLA? Many viewers miss parts—or all—of entire episodes regardless of where they view it. If the official baseline becomes, for example, mysoju.com, there will still be many people who are watching the edited version on KXLA, or attending family events/obligations, etc., wondering what they missed or at points posted that they do not recognize. Then they ask and someone provides a mini- or full summary. If no one steps up to the plate to share, then that's the way it goes. If someone comments on a deleted scene, if it is important to us, we will ask for more details.

I do not see a need for anyone to view an episode twice (cut version and uncut version), unless they wish to do so in order to post the deleted scenes for others—such as I did when I could still get into KBS VODs.

Those of us watching the edited versions will simply have to remind ourselves that others are watching uncut episodes elsewhere. When we don't recognize something commented on, we can assume we either missed it or it is a deleted scene and ask about it. No one is obligated to answer, however, unless they wish to do so. class blockquote
I’m not sure what is a good way to accommodate everybody. The video club format is certainly a good option.
This is in no way a criticism of our K-drama Video Club, but have you noticed what is required to select only one drama per month? The K-drama forum covers 11 dramas simultaneously. Is it not more practical to have a pre-determined order and schedule?

This is a sincere suggestion, Pandapop. If the Video Club format is a good, workable option for the entire K-drama Forum, please take the time to imagine you, personally, are in charge of it from this moment forward and how you will actually implement it—month by month—for all the dramas released in 2008.

I'm also curious what prompts you to think we might gain more members merely by people watching the dramas on mysoju.com instead of commercial TV? Aren't they already doing that? Has that, in itself, increased our membership? Maybe it has. In which case, there is no need to change our base schedule.

One other thing... It is impossible to choose one source as a baseline for all our members around the world or across the U.S.—a baseline on the same schedule. It is even impossible for all our SoCal members to be on the same drama schedule because the schedules are different among the cable/satellite carriers.

Mysoju.com may provide good links to e-subbed, full-version dramas, but it provides no schedule. How will a schedule for viewing be selected?

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I just fell into this thread ,and read it with interest .

I personally have access to KXLA and KBS World on Time Warner .I know the latter sounds wonderful ,but it really isn't .I have found out since that there are 3 KBS America /Worlds available through cable and /or satellite - and they are all at different points in the episodes - I know this from talking to friends in different areas of the country .

In my instance ,I have no clue what is on KBS America when . There is no schedule ( the website's was 2 weeks behind the last time I checked ) ,and the inscreen cable guide is always wrong .

Unless you don't mind sitting in front of the TV to see what might be on - you are out of luck .

I don't watch mysoju because I dislike watching on my 14 inch Ibook screen ( that is my problem )

I am a member of the Kdrama video club - ALL are welcome .I think most of our members do not live in areas with KXLA - although they can watch a lot more on AZN these days . Anyway ,the format suits us because we watch one drama a month - one ep /day . I have been so tied up lately that it has been all I can do .

But I miss following the "daily "drama with the group . I don't want to sit out more than one ,really .

IMHO < I don't see how the format of CJK could work in any other way than it does already . I guess that the people that decide to participate in discussion ,they must choose to follow the schedule the group is on .
I have been watching Kdramas for 3 years now and I don't think I would would watch them in a vacuum - that is ,without someone to talk to about them .....

just my 2 cents worth .

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 Nchristi: I accept your sincere invitation. And I’ll do my best to come up with some plans. Since I’m not a regular mysoju.com viewer, I hope anybody with more experience will also give us advise....

I think with the vast library of dramas in streaming video format( i.e. crunchyroll, veoh….), sooner or later, we will no longer be restricted by geography. The Hawaii board, Chicago board, Philly board, and CA board will eventually become one… But, on the other hand, I could be very wrong, and just thinking crazy thoughts emoticon

I also feel that mysoju.com will have their own Forum soon. And if we remain as is, we probably will lose members to them…unless we come up with a better Forum than theirs!!! class blockquote Those of us watching the edited versions will simply have to remind ourselves that others are watching uncut episodes elsewhere. When we don't recognize something commented on, we can assume we either missed it or it is a deleted scene and ask about it.This is troublesome for me….I hate to always doubt myself reading others comments and wonder whether I’m not understanding the plots? Or did I fall asleep during the drama? Or it’s from deleted scenes??? I probably will be hesitant in joining the discussion. I think using the identical version is very important in any meaningful discussions.


  

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class blockquote pandapop wrote:

I also feel that mysoju.com will have their own Forum soon. And if we remain as is, we probably will lose members to them…unless we come up with a better Forum than theirs!!!
No forum fits the needs and desires of everyone. Each carves out a particular niche and has its own flavor and standards. People are attracted to what suits them and then they either stay or move on to where they feel more comfortable.

Let it be remembered that, while we enjoy having K-dramas at our fingertips at various websites, these sources may be temporary due to legal issues of copyright infringement. Sites such as mysoju.com carry a disclaimer that they do not host or upload these dramas; they only provide links to other websites that do. Just as we saw the purge of YouTube last year (full and some partial episodes had to be removed), if the linked websites receive "cease and desist" letters, many of the mysoju.com links may no longer be available.

I think CJKDramas.com has a proven, stable, and successful system for discussing dramas currently being seen in the SoCal area—which is our official spoiler baseline. Until circumstances prove otherwise, I have to agree with the old adage, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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