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. . . hiroshi . . . true . . . and . . . we females! . . .HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

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Oops.. I forgot that.. star1.. ^^

Well, yes, Merry Christmas everybody! ^^
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classblockquoteHiroshi66 wrote:

That's true.. but I mean Japanese animosity and superiority complex toward Koreans has been present since the 1600s... many racists may not like the Korean wave coming to Japan..
New to the board but I cannot believe how ignoant this person is. You just tell this just to any random Korean and you will get him mad like crazy. You clearly know nothing about the histroy of Korea or Japan, for Korea has a cultural superiority complex over Japan which goes back for ages. The main 'cultural source' of Asia has always been China, and Korea serving as a cultural brigde between China and Japan has always been superior to Japan until recent years, when Japan decided to terrorize Asia. (Japan lost WW2 but right after started the Korean War, which made Japan an economical power by selling weapons.) I happen to talk to lots of Japanese ppl on 'enjoyjapan naver' (the site where koreans and japanese ppl talk all they long about all topics possible) and Koreans clearly treat Japanese culture as imperfect and unoriginal. The first Japanese emperor was in fact a Baek Jae(Kurada) prince, an ancient Korean country.
It is true that Japan is a wealthier country NOWDAYS, but in the history of Asia it has been quite the opposite for centuries. And there are racists too in Korea, actually most Koreans do not like Japan at all because of WW2.

I am very for this off topic interruption, but I had to react.
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Tdiva.. I think you are the ignorant person. You seem to be one of the most unethical and outright rude people I have ever met online.. just showing up on a board and interrupting a discussion as well as name-calling people on a public board rather than PMing them with their rude responses seems ignorant to me.

First of all - it shows you know nothing in reading comprehension. I said that Japan seems to have a superiority complex against Korea since the 1600s. Hmm, if you really knew anything about history you would know that from 1592 through 1598 Japan invaded the Korean peninsula - pillaging and raping across the peninsula. Though they never formally conquered the nation and in the end retreated - Japan obviously knew that while Korea was culturally superior - Japan was militarily superior. My proof? If Korea was more powerful - it would have expelled the Japanese as soon as they had invaded. Another piece of proof? Just 39 years later in 1637 Korea became a Chinese protectorate.

The true meaning of my post was not that the Japanese believed themselves to be superior in all ways since the 1600s - but rather that they believed they were military superior from the 1500s through the centuries, and finally during the Japanese occupation of Korea in the early 1900s - culturally as well.

Second of all - your hilarious comment at the end shows that you know nothing about history either. World War II? Korea? Korea had been under some sort of Japanese protection since 1895 - when the Sino-Japanese war ended. In 1905 - it became a Japanese protectorate, and in 1910 - it became nothing but a colony - or, a prefecture. Koreans don't like Japan because of World War II - they don't like them because of the entire almost fifty year occupation!

Also - Japan started the Korean War? Oh, that's a laugh. Was Japan even involved in the Korean War? No.. it was undergoing the brunt of American occupation and reform. The Russians and the Americans were the ones that divided Korea in 1945 - and North Korea was the one that invaded the South. Japan did nothing in this war.

The first Japanese emperor was in fact a Korean prince? Okay - this is also unbacked. Find me proof and I will give in to this comment.

Honestly - I think you're the ignorant person, and a person who makes a mountain out of a molehill. You're the one who obviously knows nothing about Japanese or Korean history, much less how to comprehend a post. I am sorry if any other members were offended by this - but by reading this member's rude comments above, I was hurt myself and took offense.

My post didn't say whether I was talking about culture or military superiority. You just came to conclusions. And yes, 2005 is Japan-Korea Friendship years.. many racists may not like it.. but yes, Korea and Japan are gladly coming closer and closer - which is great for us drama fans - as we may see even more Korean and Japanese dramas in the future - perhaps joint productions.

If you want to continue this blood bath, which I certainly don't want to, you can PM me. Otherwise I don't want to make other members annoyed. To all other members who were inconvienced by this - I truly apologize.

To tdiva - don't you EVER insult me again in public and embaress me like this. Calling someone "ignorant" on a message board topic is just like doing it on a busy street - especially if they have no proof to back it up.
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Welcome to the board, tdiva.

Let's please tone it down, folks. Really, there are racists in all countries. It's quite possible for person X to feel culturally superior to person Y and at the same time for person Y to feel culturally superior to person X.

A little on this topic but bringing the discussion back to dramas, a recent Japan Today article wrote the following:classblockquote
'Winter Sonata' improves Japanese view of S Korea
Sunday, December 5, 2004 at 07:36 JST

TOKYO — The popular South Korean TV drama "Winter Sonata" has improved the Japanese public's view of South Korea and boosted interest in Korean language and culture, according to a recent survey by the NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute released Saturday.

The survey conducted by the research arm of Japan Broadcasting Corp (NHK), which aired the drama, found half of those who watched the show have become more willing to seek contact with South Korean culture since they saw it and 26% have changed their view of the country. (Kyodo News)


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Ccwf - as I said in my former post - I am sorry for making a scene and to all members who were inconvienced by this. I just didn't want to be called names in front of board members especially if that person had nothing to back it up. But back on topic - its great to see that Winter Sonata has done that much to begin the transition for Japanese-Korean Friendship year.
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Lol, hiroshi666, perhaps you should concentrate on clarifying exactly what you are trying to say if you don't want a scene like this. The problem was that you initially claimed Japan harboured a 'superiority complex' over Korea (even I was a little peeved) - perhaps you should've added a word like 'military' somewhere. Besides, it was precisely that attitude of Japanese (who placed emphasis on the military) that earned the derision of Koreans over the centuries, who valued Literature and Culture over military might - I don't know about Chinese but Koreans in the past have generally viewed Japanese (倭) as a race that does nothing but barbarically killing each other, and raiding our coasts with their pirates. That was the main reason why Korea suffered during that war, as they didn't take Japan seriously enough - coupled with the fact that Korea didn't have any military conflicts for nearly 3 centuries while the Japanese were full of seasoned veterans following the completion their centuries-long factional disputes.

[The first Japanese emperor was in fact a Korean prince? Okay - this is also unbacked. Find me proof and I will give in to this comment.]

That was acknowleged by either the current Japanese Crown Prince or the Emperor himself, in the recent years. I can't find the reference atm but it's not that difficult to find, I think.

Otherwise it's quite accurate, I think. You must've learned your history quite thoroughly ^^ If you have anything else to discuss then I'll welcome your PMs.
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Thank you for your comments, Ellianu.

That is true. China and Korea had a cultural superiority complex over Japan during the years and Japan had a military superiority complex over Korea - and in later years China too. I should have been specific, and for that, I'm sorry. That is no excuse, however, to call someone ignorant and saying that they know nothing about history. I am sure you will agree with me there.

Indeed, we can continue this via PM.
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This probably doesn't belong in this topic, but I don't know where else to put it at the moment....

Last night I briefly watched a Japanese program that was interviewing a Korean concert violinist. I didn't catch the violinist's early background, but he is fluent in Japanese (having lived there) and actually now considers Japan as his "home."

When the interviewer asked him to describe the difference between Korean and Japanese society, he replied that to him it is best summed up in their reactions to his music. The Japanese describe his style as "lively and spirited." The Koreans describe the same music as peaceful, "warm and fuzzy."
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nchristi . . . oh, no, I missed it . . . from my personal music collection, I would have to agree w/difference.

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