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TW-idol drama: 薔薇之戀 (The Rose)


[aka 薔薇之恋]

I didn't see a thread on this show, so I thought I would start one.

I don't particularly enjoy watching this show, not as much as the Meteor Gardens (which was produced by the same company), mostly because it deals with incest and homosexuality half-heartedly. I just thought if a show is going to bring incest and homosexuality up, it should deal with these subjects honestly and realistically. But then again, this is not a realistic show. Can a gay man really be persuaded to be straight?! Are there really men out there who are "borderline" that can go either way without ultimately "becoming" gay? If there are any confused teenagers out there watching this show, I'm afraid they'll get the wrong message about homosexuality. Too bad.

I always believe that popular TV shows have certain social responsibilities that they must uphold....but not to an extent where they become a propaganda. Even if it's goals are to produce teenage idols for commercial usage.

BTW, I was very surprised that this show can pass the GIO censors in Taiwan.

Since I've read the synopsis on its website already, so we know where this show is headed.

I am guessing Ms. Zai (the woman behind Comic Productions) did not use the same technical team as Meteor Garden because the scenes and sets in this show were not as attractive as in the Meteor Garden.

I can't wait until the next show.




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Merela, I'm glad you started this thread because this is a show that I've watched off and on for a while just to try to figure out what the heck is going on! It's been fun, sort of like trying to solve a puzzle, especially since I don't speak or understand any Chinese at all and there are no English subtitles.

The first thing that intrigued me was seeing a guy who looks and acts like a girl and a girl who looks and sounds like a guy (Bai-he (sp?).

I think I've decided that the two guys are brothers, but what about Bai-he and the feminine woman who live in the same house? Are all four of these people siblings (since you mention 'incest')? Aren't there any parents/elders around?

Whose in love with whom here? What a mess. And who are all those young guys hanging out together in that apartment/office--whatever it is?





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Wow, you are amazing! How do you watch this show without understanding Chinese?! It's a crazy show.

This movie star, Han Lee, had 4 husbands. She was in love with her tutor at 17 and wanted to marry him, but her parents wouldn't let her. At the same time that tutor went away, so she married husband #1 and had Fu-Rong (the eldest daughter). Then she was approached to become a movie star and then went abroad and married husband #2 (after divorcing husband #1 who is very very wealthy, like her own father) who is Caucasian and had Son #1 (Han Jin) who has blue eyes and is 195cm tall.

Then Han-Lee left husband #2 when she by chance saw her old tutor at the airport. That tutor became husband #3. But he was dying of a terminal disease, so he tried pushing her away so she will leave him on her own will. So she had an affair with a man who turned out to be the boyfriend of Han-Lee's college best friend. That boyfriend fathered Son #2 (Han Kuei, long hair guy). Eventually we found out that Bai-Her (daughter #2 and the star of this show) is the biological daughter of Han-Lee's college best friend and her boyfriend. But they both died of a car accident, so Han-Lee's 3rd husband adopted Bai-Her. Han-Lee thought Bai-Her is the product of her 3rd husband's affair with her best friend from college. Incidentally, Han-lee married her 4th husband so Han-Kuei can have a father. Initially, Bai-Her came to this family when her grandmother died. She had always lived with Han-Lee's 3rd husband's mother when Han-Lee's 3rd husband died. BaiHer grew up thinking her father is Han-Lee's 3rd husband. She just didn't know who her mother is until her grandmother, at deathbed, gave her the family household registry which stated that Han-Lee is her mother. This is not hard to figure out since in Taiwan, if a child is registered under the father, it is assumed that the woman with whom he is married to, is the mother.

[Later on in this plot, you'll see Fu-Rong asking her mother to move Bai-Her out of the family registry so Bai Her can go ahead and marry Jin. So the household registry plays an important role in this plot]

Since after each divorce, nobody (at least the fathers) wanted the kids, so they were all sent to Han-Lee's parents' home so the faithful housekeeper can take care of them while Han-Lee goes about her business as a movie star.

Han-Kuei is in love with both his older half brother (Han-Jin) and Bai-Her, his older half-sister.

Bai-Her is in love with Han-Jin who is still pining over his lost love/fiancee (Chin) who died at 19.

The torment between Bai-Her and Han-Jin is that Bai-Her thinks she's too ugly for Han-Jin. But every time Han-Jin gets drunk at night, he would inevitably sleep walk to Bai-her's room and sleeps with her. At this point, Bai-her figured out that Jin thinks her soul is a lot like his lost girlfriend. Since he can only see her in his dreams, he needed someone to wake up to after each dream. I find the dialogue too far out for me. I'm not sure whether it's the original Japanese dialogue that's hard to fathom, or the translated Chinese version that's hard to swallow....but I still watch it.
 
We all know Han-Jin and Bai-Her will get together in the end.

So everyone is related by 1/2 blood.

Those guys who hang around in an office are friends of Bai-Her. She met the head guy (Mao-Jee) at a coffee shop when she ran away from home the first time. Mao-Jee is a talented and prolific comic book artist. He can draw in his sleep. Anyways, those guys are his support staff, they help him meet the deadlines. Bai-Her was hired to cook for them when they are trying to beat deadlines. Mao-Jee is in love with the oldest daughter (Fu-Rong) and is chasing after the reluctant Fu-Rong, but she's coming around. Once in a while, when Bai-her is unavailable, Fu-Rong would go over and cook for these guys.

Crazy eh. This is not real life! Why do I watch this crap?!

I think I was hoping that the story will get better like Meteor Gardens.

I'm confused just describing the relationships between the characters to you.

Did I answer all your questions yet? If not, post, I'll try my best to answer them.



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you can find the translations of the character descriptions (as well as actor/actress name) here: http://lunardreamz.fateback.com/synopses/cast/rosecast.htm

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You know, the last time I started a thread for a Chinese-language drama, I ended up talking to myself (and creidesca I suppose)... but I'm really really enjoying this one. I can't understand Chinese but creidesca gave me the above link and, with the little knowledge I have about the written language (via Japanese emoticon ), I think I'm doing okay. Like this - isn't Jin saying something along the lines of "I was outside the gate listening"? (not that it wasn't already obvious if you watch it, but hey...)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: 百合 gets cuter with every episode! Here are some more pics from last Thursday:

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Today was the 20th day of airing and they're just now introducing Hebe! Man...

Oh, and if you can edit the title of this thread to add "TW drama" to the beginning, that would be great... (it's really just an old rule we had before the board was split into separate C/J/K boards... but for the sake of conformity...)

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Crazy eh. This is not real life! Why do I watch this crap?! ... I'm confused just describing the relationships between the characters to you.



Merela, your write-up was great! I really love it (and especially appreciate that you took the time to write it). I'm going to print it out and try to piece this all together in my imagination.

We all watch this crap because it's fun! Here I am not even understanding a word of it and I'm still watching it. Go figure.... emoticon

This is how I like to view art, too. Don't like to listen to a docent or a pre-recorded tour before I go by myself. The art first has to become my own, resonate within me alone, then I will listen to someone else's interpretation. Among other things, I write poetry and when someone asks me what something means, I tell them 'it means whatever you want it to mean; whatever it means to you.' I suspect that's what I'm doing in flying blind with The Rose, too.

Creidesca, thanks for providing the key to the characters. Right now this is sort of like a crossword puzzle to me. After I give my best shot at figuring out as much as I can on my own, then I'll go to the link you gave to see just how near I came.

Who knows, after I get the characters straight, between you two and Triple Lei I might actually understand what's going on!
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Sorry, I'm new at this, I'm glad you fixed the Subject Heading for me already.

Anyways. When I told my DH that someone actually enjoy this show without understanding Chinese, he was surprised, but then he thought about it and said that the person will probably enjoy the show more without listening to the dialogue.

The dialogue is slow and it focuses a lot on the appearances of the characters. The inner self reflections are interesting to the point that I often "roll my eyes" when I watch the show. Let's not forget this is a show of mixed cultures (Japanese/Taiwanese). I'm not sure whether it's the cultural gap or the humor of the scriptwriters to make these characters so unrealistic and hard to believe. But if you view this as a comic strip, then the element of fantasy needs to be in there.

These characters are young (all in their late teens and early 20s) and I'm not sure whether young people in Taiwan think and talk like that these days.

However, I appreciate the stylistic way Taiwanese TV dramas have gone in the last 5 years--Less indoor studio sets and more outdoor scenes. As an art form, I'm sure Taiwan TV drama was influenced greatly by the neighboring countries such as Korea and Japan as the government begins to allow foreign shows into their programming mix. For it to develop further, they'll need develop local writers and make the material their own, rather than finding material in Japan--adapting from Japanese comic strips.

I love the way these shows make Taiwan look beautiful (Just as the Winter Sonata made Korea beautiful, but cold). It certainly is a big break from watching the shows offer by our cable networks. I no longer have to suffer through the summer and winter hiatus by watching the repeats.

I've heard that this show made the guy who played JIN (the very tall guy) famous. I suppose he was famous before by winning the top male model competition in China (is that a real accomplishment?!) Just as the producers at the Comic Productions made F4 famous and popular with the advertizers, they have also made the 2 guys (Jin and Kuei) in the show favorites to the advertizers.

The S.H.E. (Selina, Hebe, and Ella) have become unbelievably hot because of this show. Before then, they were just another teenage pop group that someone put together. They have certainly distinguished themselves from other groups. BTW, they got the credit for singing the song at the beginning of the show.

One show I'm looking forward to seeing is "My Secret Garden 2". I enjoyed "My Secret Garden 1" very much. The young actors in the show were just great!

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Triple Lei--The scene you captured had the subtitles which said "Outside (Wai Mien), the door wasn't closed (Men Mei Guan)". But you got the meaning of what he said.

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I've heard that this show made the guy who played JIN (the very tall guy) famous. I suppose he was famous before by winning the top male model competition in China (is that a real accomplishment?!) Just as the producers at the Comic Productions made F4 famous and popular with the advertizers, they have also made the 2 guys (Jin and Kuei) in the show favorites to the advertizers.
 



Actor Huang Zhi Wei is currently in the remake of the drama 101st Proposal (the Japanese drama I believe?), and the female lead of K-drama Winter Sonata is taking on the role of the female lead...don't know if this series has finished production yet.

as for Wallace/Brian Zheng Yuan Chang, he is in the GTV idol drama, Nine Ball (which also stars David Chen Yu Fan, who is currently in Secret Garden II)...the series is set to air in Taiwan on May 5th 2004


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Merela, thanks for all the background information on The Rose, the actors, and Taiwan. It's really interesting and helpful.

I have a close Taiwanese friend (actually from the Mainland--not ethnically Taiwanese), who travels extensively throughout Asia. She used to keep me filled in on all the Chinese dramas but we live in different cities now, so I'm pretty much on my own unless I want to make a long distance call. (She just returned from Taiwan and said she has some really interesting experiences to share with me regarding the elections. That ought to be an eye-opener for me!)

When I watch these dramas I am quite fascinated by the locale, too, as she used to tell me where it was, local customs, and so forth. I, also, find the outdoors photography of The Rose really beautiful. Some of the interior shots that show the outdoors through the windows in the background are really great. A place I'd love to live. So, when you talk about all those details, I find it very fascinating. emoticon

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