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Nchristi, I've just tried to see if I would have the same problem if I type an ampersand or create a short/long hyphen. The browser I prefer to use is Mozilla Firefox 3.5.7, and it looks like I'm getting the same problem as you are when I try to input these particular characters.

Ampersand shows up as &
The code for long hyphen shows up as —
The code for short hyphen shows up as –

I thought I could try the copy and paste feature. I blocked and copied an actual ampersand and long hyphen from an internet web page and pasted it here on the board, directly into the compose window to see if the characters would show up as codes.

The long hyphen seems to show up (—) but for some odd reason, the & still shows up in code form, even though it was copied and pasted from another web page.

I think you're right about the change in the Runboard web page having something to do with this. Runboard has recently upgraded their page so perhaps they've also changed something around in their codes which would affect the way some special characters are displayed on message boards. It could cause for some other functions on the boards to be different, too, like navigating up and down on the page with the arrow keys.

I'm also thinking about the role the "Default Character Encoding" has to play in all this. This could very well be the culprit behind the recent encoding problems. If mine is also "Western ISO-8859-1" I'm curious to see what will happen if I temporarily change it to Unicode. Maybe the special characters will show up as such in the text and not as codes.

I'm not sure how to find out what the Default Character Encoding is on my computer. Nchristi, did you access it through the Control Panel?


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This is how I accessed the "Character Encoding"...

Top of browser screen, click on "Edit"
Click on "Preferences"
     Expand "Mail & Newsgroups"
          Click on "Character Encoding"
          

Character Encoding has two parts, "Message Display" and "Composing Message". Each of these has a drop-down menu. Scrolling down you will come up "Unicode (utf-8)". The default will change to what you highlight and click on.


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Thanks for posting the instructions to accessing the Character Encoding menus, Nchristi! emoticon

Hmm, it looks like my "Default Character Encoding" on Firefox was already set to "Unicode (UTF=8)" this whole time. I thought the special characters like the ampersand or the hyphens would show up since my encoding matches the "Page Source" on Runboard, but for some reason the codes (& — –) are still showing up whenever I try to use them in a message.

I wonder if this is due to Runboard's recent update of their web page?
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I don't know, but it's frustrating. I changed my default to utf-8, restarted my computer and nothing changed. The special characters still don't appear, only the code typed in via the keyboard. I wonder what has changed? I've been fine for years but now all of a sudden, none of this works the way it used to.

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Nchristi, I know what you mean. It's frustrating when the features have worked all this time but now have stopped functioning all of a sudden. I didn't even know that Runboard had changed their web page until I was logging in one day and noticed that the log-in page looked completely different. I wonder if Runboard changed some aspects of their encoding features in addition to the page layout.

I hope there's a way to fix these encoding problems so we can see the special characters again.

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class blockquote pandapop wrote:

Hi, ccwf: How do you do strike through? I've also asked in test post thread. Thank you in advance.
I'm not a big fan of these text decorations (technical term), but I've added the ability to use them to this board. This is a special feature just for our members and will not work on other Runboards.

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You should be able to reply to this post (the full reply, not the quick reply) to see how the raw code for including these decorations in your posts. I'll also add them to the "class" drop-down in the full reply page.

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class blockquote Hiroshi66 wrote:

I think you're right about the change in the Runboard web page having something to do with this. Runboard has recently upgraded their page so perhaps they've also changed something around in their codes which would affect the way some special characters are displayed on message boards.
Yes, I think you're right. Specifically, for this board, I had long ago put in a workaround for a Runboard bug where Runboard can alter your post slightly if you preview it before posting if it contains ampersands or some other characters. However, that workaround, which had been working for years, is now causing problems (presumably because of something Runboard changed), so I've now removed it. So, now you should no longer have the problem with entering ampersands, but beware that content containing ampersands may change if you preview before posting. class blockquote I'm also thinking about the role the "Default Character Encoding" has to play in all this.No, what your browser default character encoding setting does is to change which encoding is used for the page if none is explicitly specified. Runboard is explicitly specifying an encoding called UTF-8 (which is a good choice), so the browser default character encoding setting has no effect on Runboard pages.

I don't recommend changing this browser settting unless you primarily read Chinese/Japanese/Korean web pages and not English ones.

For the arrow issue, are you seeing this problem only here on this board or also on other web sites?

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Ccwf, thanks for the helpful information. I just posted in the Test Posts topic, and it looks like the ampersands are working fine for me. I thought I would check and see if the ampersand is altered if I previewed the post prior to submitting, but it was left as is. Maybe Runboard might have fixed their own bug when they updated their website.

When I tried entering the codes for the long and short hyphens (— –) they still seem to be showing up in code form rather than as special characters. I tried submitting my test post without previewing it, but I ended up getting the same result. However, when I selected the hyphens from the Special Characters menu above (where they are known as em-dash and en-dash, respectively) they did show up in my post.

If my browser setting is set to Unicode (UTF-8) will I have no problem accessing websites of any language?



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class blockquote Hiroshi66 wrote:

If my browser setting is set to Unicode (UTF-8) will I have no problem accessing websites of any language?
There's no one setting that works for all web sites. By the standards, the default is supposed to be ISO-8859-1 (basic Western European character set without Microsoft-special additions and before the introduction of the Euro and its symbol €), and web sites are supposed to specify the encoding explicitly if they want a different encoding.

However, in real life, many Taiwanese web sites don't specify the encoding yet assume their visitors have their browsers set to default to Big5. The same type of problem occurs to a lesser extent with Korean, Japanese, and other Chinese web sites.

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Thanks for your help, Ccwf. I think my Firefox browser was set by default to Unicode (UTF-8). I don't recall having any problems viewing websites so far, so I think I'll just keep it as is for the time being.

I hadn't heard about the "Big5" setting you mentioned. Wikipedia mentions Big5 as being a setting used for viewing websites from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau. I just found the option listed in my browser's Character Encoding menu, alongside the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean settings.
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