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Registered: 10-2003
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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


Okay, I rarely visit the K-Drama board (I'm mostly at the C-Drama and the J-Drama boards) but it has been brought to my attention that there have been problems between Inuwashi and Mikey, Nsheldon, and norest.

I'm not gonna declare who is right and who called whom a bigot or arrogant, or whatever, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, and I'm likewise not going to say that so and so started it.

I'm just letting you guys know to please don't get insultive and insult each other over opposing views. You guys see a character different ways, and that is no reason to point fingers at each other. Again, I'm not saying that one was right, and one was wrong, I'm not gonna get involved in that. I'm just saying to please stop attacking each other there.

If you guys hate each other, just ignore each other, or just don't read the persons posts who you don't like. But please don't make this struggle public.

I have also noticed the racist term "Jap" being used. This was a stupid American racist term for the Japanese during World War II, and bad memories are being brought back from this. Please refrain from this.

Thanks.

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Ueda and Naoko - Don't they make a cute couple?

1/2/2004, 10:36 am Link to this post Send Email to hanadatattsu   Send PM to hanadatattsu AIM Blog
 
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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


I would actually like to apologize for my behavior at the K-drama board. All I can say is that I kind of got caught in the heat of the moment and probably said things I shouldn't have. I'm not going to point fingers and say who's right and who's not, I'm just going to try to forget it. I think we all kind of deviated from the central idea that was to just enjoy and discuss dramas instead of argue about them.

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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


Thank you for doing the right thing, no rest. I was kind of afraid that this would turn into a similar topic, but I guess not.

I agree, don't argue dramas, just discuss them. If someone thinks (for example) Naoko is from the Southern Islands, and someone thinks she's from Hokkaido, don't argue it. Just respect the opposing person's views, and believe what you want.

Thanks for apoligizng.

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"don't argue dramas, just discuss them."

Don't disagree. Let people say whatever they want to. Don't dare disagree. In Japan, this is called kirei-goto. It is juvenile thinking that is typical of kindergarten or the early grades of elementary school, where getting along is more important than facts, which can be discussed, disputed, argued about when you are older.

This is like saying that you do not tolerate difference of opinion and arguing or debating about it. (If you tolerate difference of opinion, you must also tolerate arguing or debate about it. Also, there is such a thing as objective reality, empirical facts, cultural and social reality, etc., that are not matter os opinion or belief.) It is saying that every opinion is equally right and valid. What mature adult believes that?

At the same time, what value is there if American ideas, values, thinking, etc., are imposed on foreign reality so that it is bastardized and distorted? If that is what you and to do, then you should be watching and discussing only American dramas. And if some Asian person comes and disagrees with any of you, and is outraged by what is said and assumed here, then what are they supposed to do when they express themselves and meet with the kind of arrogance and willful ignorance that I have? You are saying that they should just shut up and let people say anything they want? Why don't you ask people their ethnicity when they register here and exclude everybody who says it's Chinese or Korean or Japanese or Asian, everybody but Americans? If we are not allowed to speak out and defend our societies andc ultures, then what are we supposed to do? How will bigotry and ignorance and racism ever be reduced or eliminated in that case?

Maybe you should do that and say to all Asians who disagree with you to just get out and not come back. That is the attitude I see here. If you want to disagree, get out! Is that it? If you want to oppose bigotry and ignorance and arrogance and racism, just get out! Is that it? Don't argue about it, just shut up! Is that it?

Do you think that these dramas were made so that people can act in such a way? Is that how you think they want you to react to them and look at them? Do you think that they are broadcasting them so that ignorant, arrogant Americans can demonstrate their ignorance, arrogance, and bigotry? If not, then what and why? It is certainly not to create a tyranny of an ignorant, arrogant mob (of three people so far) that is too immature and intelligent to deal with criticism or explanations of why things are not as they are being thought to be by some people.

What is the point or value of having a board like this if arguing and debating are not allowed? Or is this some kind of online kindergarten?
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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


Inuwashi, please calm down.

I didn't say anything, as a mod I am cutting in and telling you to please stop the posts in the K-Drama forum. Post your opinions, this isn't a communist dictatorship. But don't say that other people's opinions are bigotted and ignorant, its what they think, as you said.

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"don't say that other people's opinions are bigotted and ignorant"

Are you saying that I must be dishonest? Or are you saying that there is no such things as bigotry and ignorance? Or are you saying that it should be let go and thus condoned?

If other people are to be allowed to post their opinion, no matter what they say, then why am I not allowed to do the same thing and express my opinion (or point out facts) about a person's demonstrated bigotry or ignorance or arrogance? I don't see you telling any other person here to shut up like this.

Read the PM I just sent you.

I have no intention of allowing people to disrespect my culture or society with impunity. I have no intention of allowing lies and deliberate misrepresentations to prevail without challenge or without pointing it out. And I can get a very large number of Asians who will come here and back me up 100%. Is that what you want? Do you think for one minute that I can stand back and allow all this arrogance and ignorance and bigotry directed against me and my culture? If it was the other way around, then what would you do or feel?

Don't tell me to shut up when I am the one who was first attacked (without justification)amd repeatedly attacked when I responded with arguments based on facts and direct experience. That is not communism. It is fascism. Is that what this board is all about? If it is, then it doesn't deserve to exist. It's a disgrace to human beings in that case. The correct and human answer to bigotry and arrogance and disrespect is not silence. Unless you are defending it or agree with it, that is.
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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


I didn't tell you to shut up. I have already gotten several requests for your banning, I don't want to have to do that, but if this continues, I will.

Nobody is attacking your culture or society. Nobody said anything about it.

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HanadaTattsu at 1/2/2004, 3:29 pm: "please stop the posts in the K-Drama forum"

HanadaTattsu at 1/2/2004, 2:17 pm: "I didn't tell you to shut up."

How is that not telling me to shut up? Don't post is shutting up, remaining silent, not saying anything. Or has English changed in the last few hours?


"Nobody is attacking your culture or society. Nobody said anything about it."

The whole argument was about my culture and society as an Asian person. For one thing, to demand that I accept some American's interpretation and criticism of things because of some "universal standard" is an attack on Asian (or all non-American) culture and society, which is not based on any American's idea of a "universal standard." It's the same as saying that if your society and culture don't conform to his standard, then it is not valid or worthy or correct. (That is what they were saying in essence.) That is an attack on the other (non-American) society.

The whole content and context here is Asian dramas which are part of and an expression of Asian society and culture. To be correctly understood and interpreted, the ideas, concepts, values, ways of looking at things, etc., of that society must be respected and used. There are too many arrogant, ignorant Americans who think that only their idea of right and wrong or society or culture is valid, and they try to force that on other people. That is an attack on their culture. It is expressed in the way Americans so often say things like "If it's American, great, if not, forget it" or "If it's American, great, if not, make it American." We hear this and have to deal with this attitude of Americans a lot in Asia. It is the same with these three people here. The same attitude and thinking. Every self-respecting Asian must reject that and oppose it to the end. And we do. Americans can have their delusions of "universal standards," but they have no right to force them on the rest of us. And if they do, we have the right to fight back and defend ourselves. You cannot take that away from us. Nobody can.
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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


Okay, nobody insulted your culture. And are you an Asian Nationalist or something? You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Nobody did anything that terrible for you to get mad like this.

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Re: Attacks in K-Drama Board


Wow. So this is all because people called this one grandma a "mean" grandma? Gee, if it looks like a rose and smells like a rose... IT'S A ROSE! (I hope that wasn't lost on you)

Inuwashi, your ability to be so personally offended by such out-of-the-way comments is amazing for sure, but even that pales compared to your ability to lash out on others! I mean, you don't even need a reason!

YOU'RE the one bringing up ignorance... arrogance... bigotry... even racism! Do you really think that's why we watch these C/J/K dramas and post at these boards?

While we're all thinking with these ridiculous extremes, why do we even have to watch C/J/K dramas? We can't all be Asian, so we can't ever understand - we're all going to need your truths, despite being condescending, offensive, and - oh yeah - DISRUPTIVE.

Hey, what deodorant do you use? Let me suggest this:

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Don't forget to "speak your mind" and tell me I'm ignorant, arrogant, a bigot, and a racist.

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